The wife was away on vacation; so I was able to have some fun today. I can see I'm going to be a **** painter; but was great to be able to feel like you made something Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
the best way to learn is doing it to perfect your technique, prober overlap-distance from panel-gloss-arm strength. You will be surprised how heavy that gun and paint can get when painying a car complete. Always read the manufactors label and follow their instructios and you will be fine even a seasoned painter gets a curtain once in a while. Good Luck.
Every now & then this comes up, and I'll just put my usual post on the perils of painting, from a while ago...you CAN get yourself in trouble, even in a little "drop cloth" booth. Please take the time to read this, it's worth a minute. "...Something that needs to stressed here, and I only say this from 30+ years of painting cars in everything from driveways, to garages, to downdraft booths...safety first...this is something that gets a once over, "wear a respirator with new filters..."...good advice, but if you're doing this in an environment that does not have enough CFM of fresh clean air introduced into it, a respirator will only work so well for so long, then you are in an atmosphere FULL of evaporating solvents, and air-born paint solids, and catalyzed nasty chemicals that can KILL YOU GRAVEYARD DEAD!... not to mention the risk of explosion from a room full of solvent vapors...that being said, my suggestion is to rent a spray booth if possible, but you MUST at least wear a respirator, preferably a full face, forced air unit that covers the eyes, with pristine clean air coming from a protected source that will not be contaminated with paint fumes (found this out the hard way, stupid me...) Catalyzed paint, isocyanates and other nasty chemicals enter your body through your lungs, yes, but THROUGH THE EYES AND SKIN, ALSO! Aside from fresh air, you need to wear a paint suit, taped at the wrists and maybe ankles, and gloves, and a head sock,...TREAT SPRAYING PAINT AS YOU WOULD SPRAYING ANY POISON, because that's what it is, damage caused by misuse of automotive refinishing chemicals cannot be "fixed" with a trip to the doctor! The effects sometimes don't show up for YEARS, but they will show up. Once the damage is done, well... Just my 2 cents worth...good luck with your paint job..."
that should be enough to keep you alive you have to seal the mask up airtight or replace it lucky I was in college taking a safety cl*** so I got educated on isocynides and got protection I did coat my lungs a little but just was miserable and did survive and don't paint much now they are just looking out for your health I use a souped up furnace fan in the garage door will **** the smoke out of the woodstove
I also spent a few yrs painting back in another life, and you shouldn't be ignoring the safety warnings. All those thinners and reducers you are mixing into the paints are just as explosive as gasoline. The process of making fuels explode in a motor involve mixing it with oxygen and igniting it. Your paint gun is effectively creating a carburetor the size of your temporary booth, and one spark from anything that isn't constructed explosion proof will mark your spot in orbit. Part of our painting course was looking at films from workman's comp about guys that fried. You don't want to star in one of those films. Renting a booth is very good advice both from a health/safety perspective, and for the paint job itself. Keeping dust and bugs out of your paint is much easier in a sealed booth.
I did the temporary spray booth thing as well, and it worked out very well. I had it well-ventilated and used a quality respirator. Aside from the safety issue, however, just the setup/cleanup time and h***le alone makes me inclined to check out renting a spray booth in the future.
hoof22: Thanks for posting that very important information and I agree with everything you said. My question to you is are there any paints out there today that are safer to use then the paints you describe? Is waterborne paint as dangerous as solvent based paint? I hope everyone read your post a few times before painting anything. I have friends who have spend their entire life painting cars who today have very serious health problems they were not careful enough. Thanks again Jimbo
I'm not real versed in the waterborne paints, but I think any material that is in vapor to the degree that a paint gun will atomize material, it will become explosive. Hell, even sawdust, and flour will become explosive. And the deal with waterborne paint is that it's NOT as safe as everyone thinks. I had a lengthy discussion with a paint formulator when waterborne first came out, and what he told me scared the **** outta me...We are made up of water, (something crazy like 90%?), and waterborne paints will bond with water based biological material MUCH easier than any solvent based paints ever could...we are made up of the same base material, so our bodies absorb and bond with it readily...not good, any way you look at it! And as stated in an earlier post, the effects sometimes don't show up for YEARS. I'm just wanting everyone to be well informed about what they're dealing with. Decisions are only as good as the information they're based on, so I hope this information helps people make good, safety conscious decisions! For maybe $100.00 to rent a spray booth for an evening, and you get a safe, CLEAN paint job, well, seems like an easy decision. Eric hoof22 PS: That fan looks scary to me-doesn't appear to be a sealed, explosion proof motor, and that could be a serious issue.
The fan was my first concerns also and if you think paint wont kill your lungs I'll introduce to my friend who's lungs are shot and has to do breathing treatments at least three times a day from painting in poor conditions,just trying to say be safe-----------Jack
"......be sure to get and read the "P'' sheet that comes with every paint product sold by law." Spot on, Pimpin P.!! Might be the best advice so far. In case you missed it, I think everyone needs to understand this stuff isn't like painting latex on the walls, these are dangerous, poisonous chemicals, and need to be treated as such. PLEASE, take just a minute and read the following, this is a SMALL section of an MSDS Sheet for one automotive clear coat paint. MEDICAL CONDITIONS AGGRAVATED BY EXPOSURE May cause allergic respiratory and/or skin reaction in susceptible persons or sensitization. This effect may be delayed several hours after exposure. Persons sensitive to isocyanates will experience increased allergic reaction on repeated exposure. CANCER INFORMATION For complete discussion of toxicology data refer to Section 11. SECTION 4 — FIRST AID MEASURES EYES: Flush eyes with large amounts of water for 15 minutes. Get medical attention. SKIN: Wash affected area thoroughly with soap and water. Remove contaminated clothing and launder before re-use. INHALATION: If any breathing problems occur during use, LEAVE THE AREA and get fresh air. If problems remain or occur later, IMMEDIATELY get medical attention. INGESTION: Do not induce vomiting. Get medical attention immediately. PRECAUTIONS TO BE TAKEN IN HANDLING AND STORAGE Contents are EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE. Keep away from heat, sparks, and open flame. Vapors will ac***ulate readily and may ignite explosively. During use and until all vapors are gone: Keep area ventilated - Do not smoke - Extinguish all flames, pilot lights, and heaters - Turn off stoves, electric tools and appliances, and any other sources of ignition. Consult NFPA Code. Use approved Bonding and Grounding procedures. Keep container closed when not in use. Transfer only to approved containers with complete and appropriate labeling. Do not take internally. Keep out of the reach of children. SECTION 8 — EXPOSURE CONTROLS/PERSONAL PROTECTION PRECAUTIONS TO BE TAKEN IN USE NO PERSON SHOULD USE THIS PRODUCT, OR BE IN THE AREA WHERE IT IS BEING USED, IF THEY HAVE CHRONIC (LONG-TERM) LUNG OR BREATHING PROBLEMS OR IF THEY EVER HAD A REACTION TO ISOCYANATES. Use only with adequate ventilation. Avoid contact with skin and eyes. Avoid breathing vapor and spray mist. Wash hands after using. This coating may contain materials cl***ified as nuisance particulates (listed "as Dust" in Section 2) which may be present at hazardous levels only during sanding or abrading of the dried film. VENTILATION Local exhaust preferable. General exhaust acceptable if the exposure to materials in Section 2 is maintained below applicable exposure limits. Refer to OSHA Standards 1910.94, 1910.107, 1910.108. RESPIRATORY PROTECTION Where overspray is present, a positive pressure air supplied respirator (TC19C NIOSH/MSHA approved) should be worn. If unavailable, a properly fitted organic vapor/particulate respirator approved by NIOSH/MSHA for protection against materials in Section 2 may be effective. Follow respirator manufacturers directions for use. Wear the respirator for the whole time of spraying and until all vapors and mists are gone. NO PERSONS SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE AREA WHERE THIS PRODUCT IS BEING USED UNLESS EQUIPPED WITH THE SAME RESPIRATOR PROTECTION RECOMMENDED FOR THE PAINTERS. When sanding or abrading the dried film, wear a dust/mist respirator approved by NIOSH/MSHA for dust which may be generated from this product, underlying paint, or the abrasive. PROTECTIVE GLOVES To prevent skin contact, wear gloves which are recommended by glove supplier for protection against materials in Section 2. EYE PROTECTION Wear safety spectacles with unperforated sideshields. OTHER PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT Use barrier cream on exposed skin. OTHER PRECAUTIONS This product must be mixed with other components before use. Before opening the packages, READ AND FOLLOW WARNING LABELS ON ALL COMPONENTS. Intentional misuse by deliberately concentrating and inhaling the contents can be harmful or fatal. Now I ask you, does this REALLY sound like something you should be spraying in the garage? Just sayin'... Eric hoof22
"Allergic reactions " is a very loose term that affects people in very different ways. We tend to think of things like rashes or sneezing and runny noses, but it can be as serious as airways swelling shut. There was an earlier formulation of Centari that didn't get along with me. In terms of where our bodies absorb, breathing and swallowing and tear ducts are very obvious places of entry. What are less obvious are hair follicle openings such as the top of your head ( for some of us) hairy arms or pubic areas. Let's just say that my reaction was a big PIA. Absorption goes a waaay beyond what that mask is going to protect even if you have a good one. Of course, I guess I could have strapped a 2nd mask to my ***...
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