Termites and Bowties- Early Chevy Group

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Just received these photos from the new owner of his '34 Chevy Master. Can anyone identify or recognize his chassis as Chevy original for the car, or a frame from another make?

This is the very first time I ever saw boxing plates bolted in or is original deed from factory...

 

Looks like a 34 or 35 chev frame, hard to tell with just pictures if front . The knee action front suspension has been removed . The knee action frames did have the extra boxing plate
And also an X member in the frame.
I have a trunk lid for the master coupe as well .

 

Thank you very much Wood Remover, appreciate this info a lot... I tried looking on eBay with a company called AMMUSCLE, who supply a lot of parts for early Chevy vehicles and came up short for the '34 Chevy Master trunk lid. Although I found a glass one, but would be the last resort to put glass body parts on these vintage steel Chevies. I'll let Mike @drifter9 know that you may be willing to part with your trunk lid.

 

I think the key to identifying the frame is the cast bumper mounting brackets at the end of the frame horns. Definitely not 34-35 standard series.

The factory riveted in frame boxing/stiffening stampings. I do not have a 34 master nor ever got close enough to a chassis to say its a 34 master. JOE wood remover says its ( boxing plate ) is in a 34 master and he should know.

mike lynch

 

as a point of interest, 34 Chevrolet master trunk lid.

Question is a 34 cabriolet trunk lid diff than a 3 window trunk lid or a 5 window trunk lid ?????

anybody know ?

mike

 

[QUOTE="madmike3434, post: 12428540, member: 89649
The 1933 Chevrolet standard series CC ( there is no such thing as a Mercury series ) There is not a piece of advertising anywhere produced by Chevrolet or GM that calls it that. There was not a lot of the standard series made 3......n production put i...a 2 door coach and 2..... 3 window coupes, one sport coupe having a rumble seat with roll down window. 3434 "[/QUOTE]
That's funny that you say there was no mercury standard, I have seen the eagle and mercury standard sitting beside each other. I do have gm literature talking about the mercury standard that was put out for sale halfway through the 33 year.

 

master and standard '33

 

Need to get a 33 Cabriolet in a pic with those two great looking Chevys

 

With no job number plate to identify the exact model of Mike's @drifter9 '34 coupe, from your point of reference and Joe's @wood remover info, it's sounding like his coupe is a Master series. Mike, did your Standard hot rods come with the job number plates on both of your firewalls?

 

31chevymike-------------my coupe Canadian built in Oshawa ..its a Fisher body , has the engine compartment firewall plate.

The Phaeton, a Tarrytown NY Chevrolet build has the plate on the seat riser , should be on the floor on passenger side. Its not a Fisher body, but purchased from an outside supplier to Chevrolet.

The Roadster , main body parts stamped out in Tarrytown NY GM chevrolet , but was assembled on the Buenos Aries GM Argentina assembly line, I would assume would have the build plate on the seat riser or floor ahead of seat on passenger side. It was not there when I bought the car from Kentucky in 2012..

below is a picture of a REPRODUCTION floor / seat riser tag as used on roadsters, tourings 1933--1935 USA built .

I also found this 2nd picture of an original tag that was for sale on ebay a few weeks ago

you can see how its different with almost no information compared to a 33---35 FISHER body tag.

That's what i think the frame is, a 34 master . But not 100% sure.
Re your friends coupe body 3 window. It could be a master or it could be a standard series. Looking at the quarter panel wheel well, the master has a specific body design stamped into it, the standard is flat like the picture, if it has not been replaced ?

The standard coupe body is shorter than the master. The clue would be the length of the doors with the master being longer 2-3" . My coupe is locked up in storage and would take a day to go measure it if needed. ?

mike lynch

 

GHOST..........if you have **printed material** from Chevrolet that calls a 1933 Chevrolet Standard CC series a MERCURY, I would like to see that.

To the best of my knowledge and all those people experts on the VCCA.ORG ( vintage chevrolet club of America ) it was only called the STANDARD. I have no idea where this Mercury name comes from, its a fairly commonly used name for the 33 standard but nobody has anything printed with that info. You could upset their whole universe with printed material.

mike lynch

 

here is a picture of Joe the woodworkers 33 master note the wheel housing and the body indent at the bottom. Masters 33---34 had this, standards did not.
mike lynch

 

According to the Chevrolet Parts Book, the '33 Chevy 5W Mstr, '33 3W Mstr, '33 Cabrio Mstr and the '34 Chevy 5W Mstr, '34 3W Mstr, '34 Cabrio Mstr all used the same trunk lid.

Regarding the '33 "Mercury" name, I don't profess to be an expert on the '33 Chevy, or any other year for that matter. But from what I have read, with the '33 Chevy being an all new design, it was officially known as the "Eagle" series (CA) although it was often called the "Master." All models were in the "Eagle" series as the previously used "Deluxe" and "Standard" series were dropped. As you know, a new series was introduced mid-year, the "Mercury" series (CC). This series became known as the "Standard" as it was a no-frills series. Personally, I find the '33-'35 Chevy years to be a bit confusing, but the '33 seems to be a bit more than the other years. The funny thing about the nomenclature is that the Chevy parts book I use only refers to the vehicles as "Master" or "Standard." It was produced some five to six years after the '33, so perhaps those labels of "Master" and "Standard" had become the norm by then.

 

Hey guys , this is the car in question , I appreciate all info you guys are sharing. All the wood inside is missing, no chance of any tag there, I had to stiffened it up for the ride back from Mississippi with the 2x4 . Not pretty but kept more damage from occurring to the body in transit. nothing on the cowl but It does have the rear fender bolt holes under quarter. It has a standard style dash. It is going to be a long project and will sit for a while before being touched. I will be collecting parts for it along the way and slowly doing a little planning for hot rod it will be. Thanks again for the help and advice on it.

 

BOWTIE..........starting in 1929 Chevrolet used a MODEL DESIGNATION for that year of manufacture.

1929------International....series AC......wheelbase 107
1930------Universal..........series AD.....wheelbase 107
1931------Independence....series AE.....wheelbase109
1932------Confederate....series BA............wheelbase 109
1933------Master..............series CA...........wheelbase 110
1933----- Standard ..........series CC............wheelbase 107
1934-----Master................series DA..........wheelbase 112
1934-----Standard.............series DC..........wheelbase 107
1935------Master................series EA.........wheelbase 113
1935-----Standard ...........series EC...........wheelbase 107

mike lynch

 

drifter9..........went to my storage unit and measured on the door of the coupe.............between the body lines, measured 38 3/4 ". Thats for a 1934---1935 Chevrolet DC_EC standard series .

If that's what you have that 1934 master frame is too long. Preferred frame for the standard is the 1935 as it has the factory X member. Has 186 rivets holding it together. Can be disassembled totally into 11 pieces and using 3/8" grade 8 button head allen heads with washers and lock nuts. You can sandblast all inside the frame parts , paint them inside and out and re-assemble using the allen heads and drifts to line the holes up again into a perfectly square frame, again. That's what I am doing.

You can use a stock 34-35 dash panel from a standard with gauges in the middle or use a 1934 chev master with gauges in front of you on drivers side and a glove box on the right. You see them on ebay all the time This is the only MASTER series 1934 part that fits the standard.

Hope you have the door rocker panels as they are a bear to find and costly.

The 1934 master outsold the standard series 7 to 1, so its harder to get parts for the standard.

mike lynch

 

As far as drifter9 - Mike's chassis, the wheelbase will determine if he has a Master or Standard, according to post #1847 that madmike3434 had posted. He will make this chassis work, as I'm helping him by supplying the front tip leaf spring mounts and rear leaf spring mounts from my '31 so he can hang my Chevy dropped axle with dual leaf springs in his '34. He also may have to re-mount the spring pads on the axle for his width of the chassis. We're checking chassis widths between both our cars to see if an adjustment is needed.

 

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If he ( drifter9-mike ) is going to run the coupe body old school and make it a highboy, would look perfect with dual leafs and dropped axle. I believe that the master chassis at the frame horns is wider and custom fitting your parts for the springs will work.. Getting the body to sit in the right place on the rear frame kick up might involve shortening the frame to get it right , as there is 5 " difference on the wheelbase.

Once its determined , whether the body is a master 34 or a standard 34-35 , makes decisions easier.

mike lynch

 

That's funny that you say there was no mercury standard, I have seen the eagle and mercury standard sitting beside each other. I do have gm literature talking about the mercury standard that was put out for sale halfway through the 33 year.[/QUOTE]
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Ghost , how is your search for the 1933 MERCURY standard series literature coming along ? Find it yet ?

mike lynch

 

This is what I could find in my articles so far. This was a 1980 article quoting general motors. I could be wrong View attachment 3839561 View attachment 3839561

 

Ghost, you found it , the mention of the MERCURY STANDARD , but that's in a book by "consumers choice" from 1980, 47 years after the 33 std was produced. Where the undeniable proof would be , is to find a GM Chevrolet advertising pamphlet that has that mercury name in it. So far all the experts have not been able to find anything. You would be world famous in the Chevrolet community if you did.

Its like finding Big Foot or a space alien alive or dead.

There was a guy , forget name , who wrote a book about the history of Chevrolet or GM, who got a lot of stuff wrong and he too also claimed the standard CC was a Mercury. I have never read the book or purchased it.

But the so called or maybe self appointed experts on the VCCA online chat = vintage Chevrolet club of America tear that author a new one on many statements he published. I have seen the posts about it whenever a controversial subject is brought up .

I am not a self appointed or so called expert, I just know a lot about 34-35 Chevrolet Standard series, because I own 3 of them.

Ghost you build BITCHEN RIDES . Your Buick roadster KILLS

mike lynch

 

GHOST, who is the writer of the article in the CONSUMERS CHOICE magazine/book your quoting.

mike

 

Definitely a 34 Master frame. It matches mine. The boxing plates are factory.

 

Also, you can tell a 34 Master body from a 34 / 35 Standard from how the rear fenders bolt on. On Masters the bolts screw in vertically, while the Standards screw straight in from the side. The fender nuts are visible in the following photo, (not of my car).

 

TORKWRENCH...........I just learned a whole lot about 34 Chevrolet master series. I was trying to figure out how the knee action front end was factory installed. I had a feeling the bolt holes on the side of the frame had something to do with it. Probably also the bolt holes in the factory cross member .

mike lynch

 

Like Mike Lynch said, it's a lot easier to make decisions once the car is identified as a '34 Standard or Master - appreciate this info @Torkwrench. Very cool that you own a 5 window '34 Master and Mike @drifter9 owns the 3 window Master. What type of front suspension are you running in your '34 - can't seem to make it out in your photos?

 

The picture of the steel tube'd 34 5 window that torkwrench is showing is actually my 34 5 window . I am going to guess that torkwrench is using some sort of chev straight axle as you can see the transverse springs .

 

All '33 '34 five windows are Masters. Best way at a glance on 3 windows is to look at the trunk area. Less metal area on the sides of the body by the deck lid on Masters.