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Hot Rods "The Abomination" Henry J gasser- on the operating table

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Von Hartmann, Feb 2, 2010.

  1. freebird101
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  2. bbc 1957 gasser
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    that car is bad azzzzz
     
  3. 46 rat
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    Ryan, Kick ass car man !

    I have always liked the gassers. Yours is a really cool car. Whats your best time in it so far. Keep the pics coming and good luck getting it back on the the track.
     
  4. wild willey
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    Since the first time I saw your car I loved it!!! I can honestly say that I don't know WHICH I like more........BLOWN GASSER or a BLOWN GASSER called "THE ABOMINATION"!!!! Love it!!! BEST OF LUCK to you and all that you do!! Here's to ya terrorizing da 1320 or whereever you may be. "The Abomination"..........KOOLSVILLE!!! B)
     
  5. Von Hartmann
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    Its out from under a 38 willys pickup.

    So far, just a 12.87. Since then I dropped the gear from 3.89 to a 4.11 and rebuilt the trans and throttle linkage. After this engine rebuild, I hope it will have made a significant difference in lowering the ET. I'd be satisfied with low 12s and I'd be tickled to death with any 11 number.

    The car is mostly a street car and I have a hard enough time with that. Of course I probably run it as hard if not harder on back roads than on the track. I've put nearly 7000 miles on the car before this happened... hard miles.
     
  6. breeder
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    does anyone?????:eek:
     
  7. Von Hartmann
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    The new rods came today. Bushed SCAT 5.7 forged I beam rods with 7/16 cap screws. So I'm taking the engine to the engine shop tomorrow.
     
  8. Torkwrench
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    Yeah.....Hydro parts are tough to find, especially if it's B&M stuff. I've got a complete trans, flywheel, etc for the Caddy engine that's going in my 34 Chevy, but as far as any rebuild parts, or B&M, or HydroMotive stuff, I haven't found anything yet.
     
  9. Von Hartmann
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    Well, I have no new pics yet, but the engine is being worked on at the engine shop.

    there has been a change of plans. Instead of just replacing the 1 piston, rods, and cam... I've decided to spice the motor up a bit more.

    The 10-1 Hypereutectic pistons are being replaced with 10.5-1 forged pistons. The heads are having bowl work done to them, and it's getting an Isky Z-35 solid cam. The carbs have been sent out to be rebuilt and to fix whatever was wrong with the one. I am optimistic this motor is really gunna rock when it gets back together.

    ..Forged pistons, forged SCAT pro comp rods, steel crank, solid Isky cam... I'm planning on running this motor over 7000 rpm at the track and I am super stoked!
     
  10. chopz56
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    Your car is really Bad Ass.....I saw you pull in at Hunnert and my wife had to tell me to calm down when i saw you car!Love those J's!
     
  11. Ford Freak
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    Love your J !! I have a '52, and I have some quick questions.........:confused:
    What is the width of your rear end housing, backing plate to backing plate?
    Rear wheel width, and back space?
    Tire size?

    Thanks in advance - Bernie
     
  12. Von Hartmann
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    I took these pictures before the Christmas Holiday. I did some things to the interior over the last summer and this winter that I haven't had pictures of. The main thing being the replacement of the quarter stick shifter with this aftermarket camaro Hurst Lightning Rod shifter. I casted some clear red metal flake knobs for it. I retained the quarter stick mounting box that is welded to the tunnel. I made the new Lighting Rod mounting box and built it so it bolts down to the old quarter stick pattern and adapts the car for the lightning rod. this way if for some stupid reason I wanted/needed to put that quarter stick back in, I could. I used the neutral safety switch off the quarter stick and made some brass linkage to adapt it to the lighting rod. To finish it off, I had these original Hurst stickers waiting to be stuck to something, so I put one on the mounting box.

    the other thing I did was do some work to the seat mounts. I made some aluminum panels to give them more of an old super stock look. Also welded on a cross bar for the 5th harness belt to mount to.

    here's how it was before with the quarter stick
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    here's my artsy fartsy pics with the 35 mm. and then there's this chick that thinks she knows what she is doing. It was already broken here anyway:D

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  13. Von Hartmann
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    So I did some small things to the car that have nothing to do with having the motor pulled... Like working on the tail lights.

    These are the bezels. They have been an eye sore since day one. So I figured I would try do something about it. I haven't ever attempted to do anything with them since I assumed they probably weren't worth the work of trying to save. The pitting was pretty deep and I don't have the cash to have that repaired in the plating process with copper. I have kept an eye out for a better set, but have had no luck. So what the hell, If I screw em up, then it's not a big deal. They already look like shit.
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    Here it is after I ground on one, blocked, and sanded almost all the pits out.
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    Then a polish job
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    It's just pot metal, so I will probably have to keep up a polish on them until I can afford to chrome the parts on my car. I might try clearing them to help keep the shine, but I don't know if that will do anything to protect the pot metal. It may just tarnish under the clear.
    But hey, I'm pretty happy with them now. They look like chrome. They actually fit the quarters better now. With the material I ground off to remove the pits, it lined the edges up with the quarter where it hung over before. Only thing is, the lense is just barely over sized now, but I can live with that. It's at least even the whole way around. What I could do to fix that is shave the lense a little and then buff the plastic. But I can wait on that.

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  14. Von Hartmann
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    And here are some pics of the Hydro Stick. I'll have to drag it out for some better pics.

    It's kinda dirty and the paint is flaking in areas, but the inside is almost perfect. Unfortunately, somebody removed the tag... so I am not positive if it really is a B&M trans, or if it was hopped up by another shop. All the modifications show the signs of a B&M job though.

    Has a "Drag Mach" adapter. the other tag says it is out of a 54 olds 98. I pulled the torus off and it has a stall cut into it. I do know that is was removed from a show rod T-bucket that was built in the early 60s. So it is most likely a very low mileage trans and the internals back up this assumption. It has the mods for the extra detent for first gear too. If it is a B&M trans.. the fact that it has a stall cut into it leads me to believe that it may have 750hp clutches. It has at least 400hp clutches in it. the 750hp Hydros built for blown mills had stalls. the 400hp unblown street Hydros didn't.. but who know unless I take it apart and look.
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  15. 1959apache
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    Looking good man... but based off of your first pick I see you drink the nancy beer. lol
     
  16. Von Hartmann
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    Here are some shots of the cross ram. The carbs are now all rebuilt and ready to rock. I'm getting this setup prepped to bolt on the motor and run. One of the things I wanted to do was fix the cross ram linkage. The solution was to just make all new.

    Carbs are old 390 cfm double pumpers. I got these with the original boxes from the mid 70s. These are a discontinued model that hasn't been made since then. Cross ram is a Weiand
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    The linkage I have been running is an Offenhauser setup. It worked ok. But it was setup for Carter carbs when I got it, so I had to make some modifications.
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    The problem I had with the offenhauser linkage is the set screws on the main throttle arm. They have worn out from rugged use. I added a heavier screw in the bottom that taps into the shaft, to try to fix this problem, but the screw wears out and works loose. The carb arms were welded when I got the linkage because of this problem, but the center arm is to tight in the aluminum bracket and there is no way to weld it.
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    What I decided to do, instead of cutting up the Offenhauser linkage, and because I'm too cheap to spend $100 on new, is make a new setup.
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    here it is fitted. All that is left is to paint it.
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    I wanted to keep it very close to the Offenhauser, but change a few things to make it a little better. The main one being, that the center throttle arm is now welded to the shaft. What I probably should have done since I scratch built this was to step up the shaft size, to eliminate any flex at all. But this is fine. I used collars with set screws on either side of the bracket to center the linkage and prevent side to side movement. These will allow me to make subtle side to side adjust if need be.
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  17. Von Hartmann
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    I have had some questions about the rest of the throttle linkage, so I removed it from the car to show, as best I can, how I set it up.

    I have a moon gas pedal, with a toe strap. The linkage is all solid. I used to have a Lokar cable setup, but after snapping 2 cables, getting the throttle stuck 3 times while driving, and have the cable saw through 3 sheaths, I decided it was time to re-engineer it. This is what I came up with

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    the bellcrank is actually a front bicycle hub with the throttle arm welded to it. A guy could probably tap the spoke holes so the arms could then bolt on and allow for adjustment. I got it right the first time and welded it. the ball bearings make for a smooth, tight, operation. the L brackets on the bicycle axle mount it to the firewall. The arm sticking out of the top of the pedal was the old attaching point for the Lokar cable, now it serves as a throttle stop. At full throttle, it hits the center of the bell crank. I can add or remove washers from it to adjust the point of full throttle on the pedal, this way I don't over stress the carbs.
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    The addition of the toe strap makes me feel better about the stuck throttle scenario. With the solid linkage, I should be able to unstick the throttle if the issue arises. The toe strap also allowed me to run weak return springs, which is better on everything, including me.
     
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  18. Love youe HJ Going to sell my Tiger to start on mine
     
  19. Von Hartmann
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    For any cross ram users viewing this thread. This is my PCV. It is made from stainless lines and brass compression fittings. I used AN fitting on the back and underside of the manifold. The lines feed into the back of 1 inch carb spacers.

    I used a baffle from the valley of a 283 and mounted it to the underside of the intake. this prevents the PCV from sucking oil. It works great

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  20. bobwop
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    keep up the good work!

    regarding your tail light bezels. Paint the BACK SIDE with some aluminum paint to seal them up. You can try clear on the outside, but it usually dulls the shine too much. Lots of polish is the best remedy. They certainly are better than before.
     
  21. Von Hartmann
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    Good call, I have to take them off again anyway. I still have to take car of the PS bezel. I you look in the pictures, the hole below the one for the bulb, shouldn't be there. Its so bad it corroded through. I have to try to seal it up some how so that stuff isn't getting into the tail light. I will probably just have to keep up the polish on them until I can chrome them. Just like I have to on the front bumper/spreader bar. It's just polished mild steel. As long as I keep it smooth and polished, it doesn't hold much moisture and hardly rusts.
     
  22. Using the bicycle for the pivot is pure genius.
     
  23. haroldd1963
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    I like how you framed the can of BUD in the big end of the rod in this picture!!! How Artsy!
     
  24. Von Hartmann
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    .. that is a total coincidence... beer can in the back ground... I assure you, it had nothing to do with that rod.
     
  25. rigermortous
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    that was a gloomy night from hell all the work put into the carbs and getting the motor ready and within ten seconds it was game over. now you know why greg hates holley carbs ryan haha. in hindsight though you could probably heat that rod with a torch and weld it back together and put a little bracing to it and good as new atleast that is what greg said.haha
     
  26. plodge55aqua
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    This is one HJ that stands out the most for me.. A young Guy with lots of talent.. And a Very Cool to the day Henry J... Very Nice..
     

  27. Well said. x2!:)
     
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  28. dragrcr50
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    great thread man. you know i love the j's, cant wait to get mine out, on your tail light bezels, por 15 people now have a clear coating for chrome and polish that really works well. check it out...
     
  29. Von Hartmann
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    I will look into that for sure.

    Thanks for all the kind words and interest on my car everybody

    I've been working on the car. Haven't finished any of the things I've started so I haven't posted them up yet.

    I've made a start on some aluminum door skins, also changed the lever door handles over to knobs with sliders like a vette.

    The news on the engine is... the bracket racers have officially plugged up the engine shop, and they have more money than me:mad:. So it will be about another 2 weeks before I will be able to bring the engine home for final assembly. So, I dropped in a spare 327 block today for mock up so that I can make the modifications to the pulleys and water pump to clear the original Moon timing cover I scored and also to build the new exhaust.
     
  30. Von Hartmann
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    that's too much work, I thought of just removing that piston and rod and driving a fence post into that cylinder. I'd run on 7 cylinders...:rolleyes:
     

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