I've done a lil barking here put never had I mention the work was not top notch. I scatched my head for some time as to why this was on here to begin with. So I went back a reread what Ryan had said about it. So reading slowly this time and taking it all in I understood why. It all boils down to I/we (for the most part get it) but it's not for us.
Its like Jerry Lee Lewis playing a fucking Keyboard... It just aint right. But to each thier own I guess, me I prefer my old car to feel like and old car.
I like Popeye's chicken....tabasco....and dirty rice. Biscuits! It is amazing how people can infer intent or emotion in a post or thread that is not even there. Even worse, they don't even bother to ask what the intent was, they just go off. I get how much work goes into these Icon cars, but there is nothing new about putting a modern drivetrain in an old car. I don't understand why this guy needs everyone to slobber over his cars or they are unworthy. When my car is done, not many people are going to like it (more-door) but that is okay, I'm the one who has to be satisfied. Same goes for Icon, there are plenty of folks who would love to have a car built by you, but not everybody.
Quoted for the funny. The owner hasn't posted once, one of his friends has a couple times though. And both were more about defending is buds character which has been thoroughly stepped on here based on (as far as I can tell) his dress and demeanor, than saying, "You all should be sucking my buddy off because he built the baddest fucking Hot Rod around". Unless of course you're saying that you think the guy "needs everyone to slobber over his cars or they are unworthy", simply because of the amount of press his car has received which would make that first line I quoted even more funny. TLDR version of the article: These cars are cool, but not for me and here's why: I like traditional Hot Rods because of how they make me feel. I like the simplicity of old technology, I like how that old technology drives. TLDW version of the video: I love the timeless design of these old cars, but i don't have the patience to dick around with them all the time. I wanted a daily driver that I didn't have to worry about it not starting or driving like it was 60 years old and I didn't want it to be so over finished that I wouldn't drive it... whammo, here is what I did.
Watched the video. read the thread. I guess I'm one of the guys that didn't get the article. To each his own. Take something old to make it usable daily. It just didn't ring with me well.
This thing really struck a nerve with a lot of folks... You have to remember that, computer-assisted or not, there's a lot of respect-worthy engineering and machine work going on in those cars. Probably much, much more than what goes into our average jalopies. So yes, they're deserving of respect. Don't just pour shit on the man if he's well spoken and dressed. We're not always greasy monkeys either, are we? I love being all dirty and poorly dressed as much as the next HAMBer, but when working I do need to be presentable, and I'm sort of educated as well (hell, I need to be, as a college teacher!). So will that get me flamed as well? Besides, when it all comes down to what's good or not, I say I'd rather have one of the Derelicts than any Boyd stuff... gosh, I really hate those. But that's down to each one's taste. There's a spot for everyone. Isn't this rodding stuff all about each going his own path, or wasn't I paying attention? I do get distracted sometimes... sorry if I missed something! And maybe, just maybe, one day you'll find yourself getting too old for struggling with the fits of an ageing machine, and then you might start to think differently about them. Who knows? We change. So take it easy and don't judge people too quickly, there might be more lurking beneath than seemed at first glance. Just like the Derelicts. Cheers, Eddie
Everyone has their own personal tastes. I think the products ICON makes are pretty fantastic from an engineering and craftsmanship standpoint. They also have their own style be it the 4x4 products or the Derelict cars. Way out of my price range and not exactly my thing, but out of this world execution. I'm not getting the whole "street rod" comparisons. I don't see any hallmarks of the street rod aesthetic. Kind of makes me think extreme resto-mod. Anyway, I can dig it.
I have given this a lot of thought and here’s my 2 cents Why do we do what we do? We enjoy building things with our own two hands We enjoy talking about the things we build with others. We enjoy showing the things we build to others. We enjoy using the things we build. We enjoy the history of the things we rebuild. The HAMB is a sliver of the automotive world, it is devoted to a certain age and style of car. ( I get it ) The Derelicts do not fit this narrow definition. That said these cars a very well built and preform just as the builder intended. The Owner of this site posted this thred. I do not feel ICON is asking for HAMB approval. Find the good in all things. Two vintage cars were saved from the scrapper There fame will inspire new automotive enthusiast, and introduce them to the style of cool old iron. When these cars go down the road 99% of people won’t know there’s an LS motor in them. But will be reminded of a better time and place when American cars had style. MrC.
This is the most level headed difference of opinion thread I have seen on the HAMB. Are we becoming adults? Oh my goodness... This is what makes me love the HAMB; some good intellectual fencing.
Engineering!, so ordering a chassis and putting it under an old body like Boyd did is engineering. When it's one off and without a phone call and it came off your work shop floor, maybe then you can say you or your shop built it.
Just a wolf in sheeps clothing, same as any street rod. Only his isn't entirely junk yard sweepin's. More bucks to blow at it, I guess......
to bad the discussion ain't so much about jalopy's as it is about opinions and disagreements. El Cabollo, that thumbnail is perfect. But then again, it is called the hokey ass message board, so maybe we shouldn't be so serious?
I dig the article. Makes you think. I too like the old car part of the old cars... My coupe is flathead powered because it is as reliable as a sbc. Everyone has different expectations from their vintage car. I have no problem leaving on an extended drive even if my temp gauge doesnt work. ( funny thing there... my flatty stopped overheating at the same time my gauge stopped) It is cool that these cars are built to be drivin..
Come on, that's not at all what I was on about. Yes, it may be the work of a team of people, yes, there may be a heap of stuff that was not built on-site. My argument of Derelict vs Boyd was mainly on the taste of the finished items, not a case of engineering good or bad. Yes, there's a lot of ingenuity and good old craftsmanship going into a hotrod. That to me is more valuable and significant than any engineering work, as it takes more than a set of machines and a CAD tuition to make stuff happen. That's the sort of knowledge that is time-honoured and it takes a lot more effort. But sometimes the modern stuff does have its advantages. Who here thinks that the modern tech going into the prep of a flathead block is a bad thing? Don't see anyone complaining! And although the chassis is bought-in, I'm sure there's a lot of other work going into the build, fit and finish. It's not always easy to marry modern tech with old. That's what I meant. It is surely not all just bolt-on stuff. I would be curious to learn more of what goes into the build, for one. Not that I'd want to replicate it, but learning a new trick every now and then, to me, is the single biggest asset this sort of communication has to offer. That's why I love the internet, and have been a faithful user for going on 20 years now. Obviously I'm bound to get more useful tips and tricks from you guys than a bunch of modern machinery fitters, but hey, you never know! Sometimes a fresh perspective is a very useful thing... see what I mean? Cheers, Eddie
His million dolar computer driven motors wont be worth much after solar storms will wipe out every electronic bit on earth, while we can carry drivin our point e condenser old junk. AHAHAh, J/K of course. but its too complicated for me too. I dig the 4x4s a lot thou. edit: damn, i just read a few pages. I rally dont wanna hate on it, if this was the impression it was just a joke. To each their own, and i se nothin wrong with it. actually, thinkin about it, a lot better than puttin mercedes headlights, monochrome and all that stretroddish junk, at least the old bodies are "respected"
Ok Eddie, glad you used the word taste. What has been done is taste less. The cars are just eye candy now to make the mouth water for a taste off em. They leave a bad taste in my mouth. That's all, believe me, if you or I posted that video it would have been deleted because it's not HAMB worthy (at least to me). But it's here for a reason, maybe it's just to see who really get's what the HAMB is about. That's my point. Reread the rules to posting and maybe you'll understand why this thread is so much to the left and the right.
chevys cool,but the only thing missing on the wagon is a crate of live chickens strapped to the roofDoes this guy even own a real hot rod?Can you imagine with his money and effort that he put into the wagon what he could have built with the right car.Really,dont mean to be an ass somebody needs to drop by this guys shop and take him a ride in a duce coupe or 55 gasser or a chopped shoebox probably never rode in a real hot rod.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and mine is I like both of these cars. I built my 41 Chevy in a similar way, with an LT-1 4L60E, MII frt end, etc. Seems that there are alot of grumpy old men on this site. Making comparisons to 45 rpm records, tube radios, etc. What did the generations before you have? They didn't have cars but horse and wagons or bicycles, or walked to where they needed to go. And I'm sorry but most newer cars and trucks don't break down as much the older ones did. I've been working in GM dealers for 32+ years and have seen alot of changes from points and carburetors to Hybrids. I enjoy seeing traditional built, along with all other forms of hot rods. A bunch of you are always talking about breaking the rules or "not getting it" but didn't the guys that started hot rodding way back break alot of rules themselves? A lot of you really aren't much different than the people you seem to despise, the billet built street rodders and such. I like all the cars and tech I see on here and on other sites, not so much on the pissing and moaning about whether something is traditional or not.
I thought the video was well done and appreciate what they are doing. maybe it'd be cooler if they dropped something old on an S-10 chassis ... isn't there a lengthy thread on here instructing folks how to do that? some of you are analyzing the fun right out of old cars. whatever.
"I'm a sucker for simplicity." I like that summation of why many of us like old cars. There is a Zen to them that is very appealing.
I've met with others in San Jose CA that were doing this 12 years ago but the drivetrains weren't as sophisticated as these where the chassis were completely redesigned. They managed to incorporate many of the stock chassis design and components.
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