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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by oldiron 440, Jan 3, 2019.

  1. oldiron 440
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    It's only been on the engine dyno, I've been gathering parts for the ch***is for the last five years. I will have to check for sure but its just under 10.5 to 1 and the cam is just .590 lift It has a nice clean 750 rpm idle. Car weight with driver is 3100 lbs, the Moroso power speed calculator says high tens but I've always found it to be generous.
     
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  2. oldiron 440
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    Here's the 289 at the builders shop before dyno, I didn't have a smart phone back then so this is what I've got from the build.

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  3. Cool.
    A quick calculation says you only need about 370 at that weight. That is , of course with a hard launch and little or no wheel spin.
    A stick shift would be easy..Just leave on the mat.!
    Automatic, different story. I ***ume you are going to use a re-worked C4 with a high shift point governor, and an 8" converter?
    Good luck with it.
     
  4. oldiron 440
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    I would love to have a 4 speed in this car, about three years ago I missed a set of clutch pedals on the Ford forum and I haven't seen another set.
     
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  5. Bandit Billy
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    Some threads need pics, this one needs digits! Post up that dyno sheet. I gotta a buddy with a 289 that needs to see it!
     
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  6. oldiron 440
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    I didn't just slap together a 289, I made a large effort to reduce parasitic power loss, 340 gram custom pistons, selection of rods and rod length,valve trane components etc.. I struggled with the intake choice and now would like to try a Edelbrock Victor intake I built for torque not so much for hp, but I'd like to see if there is a little more.
     
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  7. Bandit Billy
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    22 years ago? No wonder you didn't have a smart phone, probably had a Motorola brick back then. Impressive digits, thanks for sharing.
     
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  8. oldiron 440
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    Every thing they run has that date?
    I've got sheets from my big block mopars and they are the same date.
     
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  9. Bandit Billy
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    My watch has had the same date on it for years. :cool:
     
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  10. coilover
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    When Holman and Moody sold out many years ago my Ford nut partner bought 5 small block and 5 FE block with semi machined engine parts. I know some of the parts were forged cranks for both sb and bb and the LeMans type rods for the 427's. One set of sb heads had the exhaust ports bored out past the water jacket and then large tubes furnace brazed in. There were steel main caps and one girdle for a sb. I was into sbc so can't give a lot of detail but do remember he had a hard time finding a place that could do some of the finish machining. Back then the only place that could index grind a crank was an oil field machine shop near Odessa, Texas. I think he only finished maybe two sb's and two bb's. Wish I had paid more attention but at the time I was trying to keep a sprint car and a late model race ready and had little time to spare.
     
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  11. DDDenny
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    I'm pretty much a died in the wool Chevy guy but I love those cars, of co**** four speeds make them better in my eyes. At a minimum, it's the cool factor, at least that is how I have always viewed cars from the 60's.
    My first introduction to those Fairlanes was about 1969, 15 years old, just a learners permit, no car yet, not even sure what I might want, then I saw the Fairlane.
    It was dark burgandy with a black interior, WITH A FOUR SPEED, wow, and it was parked at my older brothers' house, it was owned by the boyfriend of a lady that was renting my brothers ba*****t living quarters.
    I remember it clearly, looked brand new, had as-cast American five spokes, just perfect.
    I didn't have two nickles to my name but that didn't stop me from pestering the guy to ask if it might be for sale.
    It never happened, bought my first Chevy and never looked back, til now.
     
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  12. oldiron 440
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    I'm sure my daughter would like a 4 speed in the car, I tought her how to drive my ranger that had a 5 speed. She had to go out on the old blacktop
    Just outside of town a few times to get the hang of it but she liked driving it. I have to laugh, the first time she drove the truck it set off the check engine lite, I worked for a Ford dealer at the time and was telling one of the mechanics about the light coming on and for his own curiosity he hooked up a code reader, the light came on for excessive stalling. We both got a good laugh from that.
     
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  13. oldiron 440
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    I had messaged a guy that's into old Ford tech and parts he got back to me that Ford did have a 289 forged crank it would be a GT 40 part. It had been at the dealership since 1972 at least when the parts manager started. It's very similar to the boss 302 crank. I only bought it because it was new, I had no idea that it was even a forged crank. It was a new crank. I don't no how rare they are the guy that got back to me had one.
     
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  14. Needs about a 5500 converter and a 7000 governor in the trans.
     
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  15. oldiron 440
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    A 3200 stall and a 6200 rpm shift will work. I'm sure my daughter could shift the automatic but I will not use an aftermarket shifter, column shift only.
     
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  16. I'm ***uming something here. What are the starting and ending rpm's here?
    What is the bore and stroke , again?
     
  17. oldiron 440
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    If the car was a drag only car I would use a 4500 rpm stall converter and run it to 6500+.
    But it is a street car that's going to hit the track a few times a year so there is the compromise.
    It doesn't have to run any certain number but it can't be faster than 11.50.
    But usually I would have the stall at peak torque. I've gone over all this with ATI before I ordered the converter. I personally think ATI is one of the best.
     
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  18. Ive got a set I would sell. send me a PM if your interested.
     
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  19. Sorry. I guess I misread this . I thought you were saying it was strip only deal.
    It's primarily a street car and a dream wheel 11.5 car, at this point?
    I understand the no roll bar thing.
    So, what gears and transmission are you using?
     
  20. oldiron 440
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    For now it's a c4 and 3.73 but looking at the numbers for top end it could use a set of 4.56 but I'm going with a 4.10. If all my Measuring is good I will be able to fit a 275/60 with some triming of the rockers.
    The car is going to have some at***ude when finished. I have collected most of what I need for the car, I have boxes of parts in my home office, in the garage even loaded in the trunk of the car. The plan is to hit it hard in a few months and see how much I can get done before summer. Rear axle and suspension first.
     
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