The "Official" Barrett jackson thread

It is not Don Johnsons fault. If anything it is the car companies fault. When alot of theses collector cars were new the people that wanted them could not afford them, I for one would have done anything to have a Hemi Cuda in 1970. Then came the mid 70s and true performance cars all but vanished from new car production, and it sayed that way for almost 2 decades. Fast forward 35 years, there are alot of people out there that can now afford the cars they lusted after in their youth and will pay almost anything to get the car thaye have dreamed about for decades. I know it is hard to keep all of this in perspective, but the fact of the matter is that with the best of the best bringing unworldly prices actually does make it better for everyone. There is a strong movement to keep anything that might be a collector car from being s****ped (although it is a batter with the politicians that we dont always win). The aftermarket is stronger for it, because it can now be profitable to produce parts that were once not available. Another benefit is that our hobby has a little more respectability from the m***es with the media attention it has recieved. There are always negatives with the positives, there is no such thing as a one sided coin.

 

Congrats Glen! I saw your car roll through last night. I don't think I would have the guts to roll the dice with a car down there.

On a side note, Tony Stewart almost owned the Mopar roof that Curator sold to the guy with the 63 Chevy! ha ha ha

 

Well the buyer of 32 Ford Roadster got shafted when he bought this car!,....

Lot #712, described in the Barrett- Jackson listing as

"This is the real deal, a real 32 Ford. This 50's style Hot Rod features an all steel body from Ford itself"

This is a car built in Canada and is well known to have a Brookville body!,....I wonder how many other buyers at the Barrett-Jackson got lied to?

 

a couple years ago, someone told me they sat in front of a TV 15 hours watching B-J Auction. funniest thing I'd ever heard. not laughing anymore, I caught 18 hours last year and haven't missed a minute this year. Haven't figured out how I'm going to get my day done today it starts a 1:00 till midnight (guess I'll have to watch the re-run till 3 am haha)
I don't know how they do it W. ****** but in Oregon frame off runs $150K and up. paint starts at $10K you have to understand that a $10k paint job starts after everything on the car is perfect and fitted. the car is completely disasembled and every part is painted separately. and finished in it's proper color and finish, lot of engine and ch***is parts are coated or plated.as well as the exhaust. the whole under side is finished with the same detail as the top of the hood, after that amount of detail the whole car is re ***embled which adds another 200 plus hours labor (50-75 an hour). I put gl*** in a car that had $40,000 in paint.
I feel that most people will never go thru this process and go off thinking that a 10 grand paint job compares to their mask scuff and shoot job, that also can be very damn nice and something to be proud of. Trust me on this one "there is a difference" why do you think they have that under car camera?

 

you sir are a fool . i have been to the auction many times . and the quality of some of those cars is AMAZING . quality = $$$$$$ . and yes 12 grand to paint a vw of that caliber is totally reasonable ...

glen congrats . i taped the auction but have not watched it yet . i had hoped you would get more . but as you said . it ia a roll of the dice . i am stoked you are happy with your sale . also glad you had a good experience with the people who run it . my dad knows a couple of the guys and he sas they are really cool . and know their stuff .... again congrats ....

donnie

 

Very nice car, a steal for 51k for sure.

 

Years ago, we used to include an auction at one of the car shows we managed. Watching the manipulation of the market by the auction group put me off auctions for quite some time. BJ has brought some ethics back into that market. Confidence in the auction is necessary when the values of the vehicles they sell are this high, plus they have to deal with many of the same people at each event. While lots of folks now think that the rusty hulk in the back yard is worth $50K, the quality of the vehicles is really increasing to a very high standard. The cars I saw on Wed/Thurs were going for less than build cost in many cases. $12K for a paint job? Not at all unusual around here IF you want the quality that rolls across the block in Scottsdale. I have seen a 32 highboy that was an unmodified, new steel body that cost $25K for a beautiful, one-color paint job. Flawless, yes. Worth $25K? Not to me, but it was to someone. Sooner or later the BJ will run it's course and the fad will fade (along with $100K Chevelles), but it's good entertainment for now and has brought the quality standard of the hobby up another step.

 

You are joking right??
If not, you certainly don't live in this worlds reality.

 

Great looking car. Congratulations.
We all try to get the highest price when selling our cars.
Yours deserved it.

 

Glen...glad you are happy with the sale. I personally have no problem with the BJ auction.....I just get tired of hearing the same old dialog about rotisseries, restomods, frame offs, fuelies, etc.from the announcers. I was in az back in the seventies and painting cars for a cl***ic car lot named "Cactus cl***ic cars" ...I think it was on 48th st. At that time, he was selling some at possibly the Kruse auction in that area. (can't remember)..... Fun times, much beer!!!

 

Glad you're happy with the sale man. I've been critical of Barrett Jackson at times just because I worry about the trend of skyrocketting prices, but I can't really argue with the points you've made.

I've been on here for a few years now & your Buick was always been on my "HAMB top 5".

If I would have been one of the guys buying, I would have easily paid 51k for it. Whoever bought it got a smokin' deal on an insanely beautiful car.

I also look forward to your next build. Gonna be tough to top that one!

 

Check out his article about Kieth Martin getting thrown out of B-J....

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0119auction0119martin.html

See you in So Cal on Wednesday...

 

Well done Glen.
Your car is a real beauty.

Aside from that, how do the BJ auctions work?
A percentage of the final sale price?
A set figure prior to the auction?

Isn't there also a lesser auction that doesn't get air time?
Or is there an area set aside for direct sales at a set price instead?

By lesser auction I mean for primered cars, rolling projects and the like.

 

I have to agree that a lot of the sales are relative bargains compared to the cost of actually getting a car into that kind of condition.

My beef with B-J is not the quality or price of the cars that go thru the auction. My gripe is that just because some perfectly restored, rare, original [insert model here] sells for large bucks at B-J, owners of rusty, poorly built, run-of-the-mill, common, plain-jane, bondo baby [insert model here] think theirs is worth big bucks, too. I was amazed at the stupid prices people were asking for some really piss poor cars at the Turkey Run, for example.

 

...and he got shafted to the tune of $72,600.00!

 

I loose 8% of the final sale and the buyer pays %10 more than what it sold for.

Nope, they start the price on the feel of the crowd.

Yes, there is a tent with vehicles you can purchase for a set price.

No, there is no section like this.

 

I'm headed to Pheonix today with my girl and we will be hitting up BJ on Saturday. Looking forward to seeing quality cars like Glen's.

 

It was built by Jack DeWaard in Brantford, but he sold the car quite some time ago so it was not Jack that misrepresented the car.

 

Wish I didn't have so much going on this weekend- the mother in-law has a place walking distance to Westworld. DRAT!
Also- saw the deal of the century the other night- 1931 or 32 Auburn Straight Eight roadster, prolly a quarter mil resto, sold for 60k. Two auctions later, a Mustang sold for 72k. Told my pops about it, and he says if the "Estate" cars are selling that cheap, he's going next year, and bringing the BIG wallet.

 

I used to deal in mopar muscle cars and I believe the prices are exageratted for these cars but I would agree that some of these cars could not be built for what they bring. I attended the BJ in 01 and very few people will ever own a car the quality of the cars that sell for big bucks! This brings up the point I brought up after helping judge a local car show. We had a beautiful driver quality 60 Cadillac and a pretty well restored 61 VW beetle. They were in the same cl*** andabout the same quality in most aspects, the simple truth was the bug scored higher by our points system but only because it has a third of the amount of parts and overwhelming aftermarket and reproduction parts! Thats why the mopars draw more money than the chevrolets on average is because the mopars have so many little differences from year to year and model to model the aftermarket cannot follow. Therefore NOS parts and expensive component restoration follows.

 

I used to deal in mopar muscle cars and I believe the prices are exageratted for these cars but I would agree that some of these cars could not be built for what they bring. I attended the BJ in 01 and very few people will ever own a car the quality of the cars that sell for big bucks! This brings up the point I brought up after helping judge a local car show. We had a beautiful driver quality 60 Cadillac and a pretty well restored 61 VW beetle. They were in the same cl*** andabout the same quality in most aspects, the simple truth was the bug scored higher by our points system but only because it has a third of the amount of parts and overwhelming aftermarket and reproduction parts! Thats why the mopars draw more money than the chevrolets on average is because the mopars have so many little differences from year to year and model to model the aftermarket cannot follow. Therefore NOS parts and expensive component restoration follows.

 

Many thanks Glen.

I'm wondering what the next 4-wheeled project will be?

 

You can't even get a bike custom painted for less than 12k anymore.




[/quote/]I'll have to look that one up. 12K to paint a VW? Now granted, I haven't seen it.

I didn't comment in any of the BJ threads. I don't have a problem with someone spending stupid money for something they want if they have the money.

It's just me. I do not believe there is a car in the world worth $50,000 let alone more. I enjoy watching and seeing the cars. As others have noted, I don't enjoy going to look at a beat up pile that some guys thinks is going to pay for his retirement because of what he sees on television.[/quote/]


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Glad you got what you expected. I agree that deals can be had for high quality vehicles at these auctions. I've been to a few RM auctions and except for the muscles which "investors", not car guys are seem to be buying, many of the other cars sold for a song. Last fall a really nice 1960 Olds 2dr bubbletop went for CAD$12K and a mild custom 1950 Mercury 4dr got to $8K at the RM auction I attended.

I think it will only get worse for the cl***ics. I'm a firm believer in demographics. Why have some 1960s and 1970s cars gone crazy? - baby boomers. Ask a baby boomer if they would rather spend $**,**X on a '60s numbers matching Mustang or Mopar or whether they would prefer a '36 Packard roadster. Most of the baby boomers I know that are buying these cars aren't gearheads, they just want the car they always dreamed of when they were young. Not only were they probably not dreaming of '30s Packards, Pierece Arrows or Auburns, but these cars a pretty much 1:1 scale models due to their driveability in stock form. Just my 0.02.

 

This is why the price of stock restored Ts and As are going down. The people who saw them new and care to keep them stock are dead/dieing. The focus then moves on to the hotrodders of the '40s (who don't want these cars stock anyway) and the babyboomers. Niether of which give a **** about a vintage stock pre '30s car anyway.

I personally like the stock Ts and As and I got my eye on a few that would surely piss off some of the fast driving commuters around here when I get one and use it as a daily driver.

 

Because I won't spend $50,000 on a vehicle that won't do anything different than one for 10-20% of that won't do?

I didn't knock those who do.

 

A well prepared steak and a Mc Donalds burger are both food and do the same thing by relieving hunger but trust me, like they are not "THE SAME"

 

This was in reply to my statement that "pennies on the dollar was an exaggeration. Now before I go further, I realize it's just an expression.

Nobody sold their car for $50K that they had $550,000 in either though.

That's different. Could one spend 12K on a restoration of a VW? Sure. The statement was that the paint was 12K.

To me especially.