Are you starting to recognize this hot rod that was built by 2 kids without a clue getting all the guidlines from car crafts 1965 how to build a hot rod article and listening to all the advice and appreciating all of our friends help -paid for by Nick working at the student store and saving lunch money at high school? No? Here it is at 2003's invite only anti-blessing I will give it away next post honestly, I like the lines of your car, but everyone was checkin out ****reynolds beautifully painted 56 chevy on ebay last week, and being a painter(If you don't beleive me ask Donnie) I like any color over flat black. Maybe nobody noticed, but the "finished" 40's style lakes roadster like jim khougaz's 32 is the hot look. Even trepanier is hip to it. Not my fave look but it's what people are spending money on.
We got tired of the rust real quick, especially after bombing it to san diego at 100mph 6 months after starting the build.
Great. You helped your kid brother build a rat rod. You had some rocket scientist's machinist drill the holes in the frame for you. You have woodworking skills that would make David Feirer envious. You are a MASTER (at baiting hooks) and will be remembered for your hand in "helping" your kid brother build his rat rod. I got $100 that says my car wax the **** out of that rat rod you had a hand in building in a drag race... in a mileage compe***ion and in comfort and driveability... oh, and in cornering too. Just trailer it up here for Billetproof and we can race. Sam.
Roaches and Rats... You guys just reminded me... I need to take something out of the freezer for dinner.. All kidding aside... Does magazine coverage make a car better than another? Is that gonna matter when I put the boot to it and get walked by some kid in a Prelude? Nope... Gotta have cars to have magazines... not the other way around. JOE
I hope everyone excuses me for being such an ***-hole... but telling me I'm high because I want a certain amount of money for my car when your credentials are summed up by one custom car and a helping hand in your kid brother's car is gonna set me off. Sam.
Sammy, if I had the money I'd buy it... but I'm broke. I hope that you not selling it is God's intervention and that you are supposed to find another way to get money, and keep that car for your kids... I'd give anything to have my dad's A or his 56 Sunliner... but they are gone and so is the money he sold them for. Please keep the car for your kids.
In my opinion, maybe it didn't sell because no one else sees what you see in it. I see a very common, flat black rod. G.
[ QUOTE ] In my opinion, maybe it didn't sell because no one else sees what you see in it. I see a very common, flat black rod. G. [/ QUOTE ] You may be right. It isn't a car that tries to make a statement, that's for sure. It's more of a car that imulates a certain type of race car (CRA Roadster) that was popular in the 40's and 50's. Sam p.s. This sedan brought 13k on e-bay... but then again, it had a model standing next to it.
I think that Roach Rod is a Bargain at that price. It is a really important car. Ebay is kind of wierd, sometimes things go out of control other times they get missed. I think there are alot of people who would buy it in a heartbeat, that might be afraid to spend that kind of money on ebay. I woulds relist it with even more hype. Put RAT ROD, or at least Hot Rod in the ***le. Alot of guys wouldn't even search for a 1923 T, but would find the Roach Rod, under RatRod. You just need to play the game........ I still think you should keep it. It really isn't replacable.
[ QUOTE ] but there are more tactful ways of saying that he thinks my car is priced too high... I have nothing against him... but ya check his bio, and he doesn't even have a hot rod... so how the hell does he know what they are worth or what it takes to build one... Oh wait! Maybe he DOES know what it takes to BUY one... [/ QUOTE ] Actually...I think he was just making a little joke (it's a ROACH clip) and you took it wrong and then you jumped on his credibilty. For what it's worth...I don't think a person has to be able to do something in order to put a value on that thing, anyway. But I don't know anything either...I'm probably building the ugliest hot rod ever built by a HAMBer.
Here it is in vegas. Nick drove it their like he did to Paso. I am proud to have helped out. We had a great time building his car together. It was fun, like hot rodding should be. And you know what? we're going to help out our other brother with his car too. I've never claimed to be a wood worker, it was just easier/cheaper to make mistakes in wood instead of steel. Isn't someones tagline "measure twice cut once". We know a guy(old Sammy) who builds hot rods in 30 days or less and sells them all the time for 10k plus in orange county, most goes to japan. Maybe you'll find a buyer there (japan). My original post was a joke, not a price comment, I am sure if the Germ said it you you would have given him your car. You have a quality ride, but, claimed I knew nothing nor had nothing. I know a little and I have my projects. And I am not going to waste my time with you any more. Sodbuster, we designed the frame to have a broken look-leaving the body raked and the motor parallel to the ground, patterned after the stance of Don Tognotti's avenger 32 5window-no offense taken
No problem Jason. I initially had it on the road for cheap... but it was pretty plain and non-descript without the grille and windshield... not to mention it didn't have paint or the home made intake. I stopped counting after that initial build... it was a lot of work to keep track of the costs! I think I might re-list it. Anyone have any tips for listing a car? Why did it come up 1923 T? I had the words Rat and Hot Rod in there... and when I would do a search, it would come up. Sam.
Har**** , yes I did take offense to what you posted. It didn't seem like a joke to me. I'm gonna sweep it under the floor this time... Sam.
Sam you need to pull that intake & carbs off (and sell it me... at a price I can afford) and put a some other intake system on.. its a sbc, the avg sbc owner will not understand what you have. I think the ad was a tad to long, but having seen it in person I think it is worth the asking money. As mentoned about, you need to get rid of the pics of you beating on it and sell it more on its Magazine merits and how reliable, comfortable etc... (also pull the dash out of it, some one will just paint over it and that would be a shame.. auction it off to a HAMBer, would be cool garage art. (you could probably get enough to buy a replacement)
Seriously Sam - as a few of the guys already said.. A short but to the point description a short but true statement on its "accolades"[sp?] an "in your face" depiction of its capabilities and accenting the fact that its ready to Rock [unlike their 13 year garage pile they already have in storage!] then Balls to the wall put it on with NO RESERVE ... with your starting bid being the least amount you can stand. Sometimes its worked for me to let the GREEDY bidding and oncee it gets a bid the othere greedy ones will follow suit! It just takes bidders that are bidding TO BUY not to see how high they can ease upp against the reserve and back out wit their tail between their legs! That does go on on the BAY a LOT!.... GOOD luck on your sale - I ran into the same cir***stances with my '58 El Camino on ebay ,so I can relate!
[ QUOTE ] (also pull the dash out of it, some one will just paint over it and that would be a shame.. auction it off to a HAMBer, would be cool garage art. (you could probably get enough to buy a replacement) [/ QUOTE ] I will bid $50 for the dash if you take it out (even though I failed to help out). Chris Nelson Kansas
Unfortunately the dash is welded into the car and is a part of the cowl now... holts the windshield. Otherwise I would have removed it and used it to raise money for the HAMB... Sam.
Swap out the steering column for something "real looking" and get rid of the thrashed 914 seats. To me, those two items distract from the whole package something fierce. .....other people might think the same way as I do. Wisely spend $200 on it and you may get $15,000 for the car
Dude, iv had my car on e-bay twice, it's on there right now which makes three times. It has paint and an interior, my reserve is only $8,500....im baffled I hasent sold, to be honest the first time I listed it the reserve was $10,500 which I still thought was reasonable....A turn key car .....driver for a pretty cheap price! It has some of the best parts on it, drilled 39 backing plates, round early spindles and the list goes on. People who want this type of car dont have the cash and the people who have the cash dont want this type of car. To be honest 13K seems high, I hope you dony take that the wrong way, but then again what the hell do I know.....there's an *** for every seat. Pete-
I didnt go through all 3 Pages of this post..But you should know that Its worth whatever someone will give for it,bottom line...Hot Rods and Customs are not an easy sell when it comes to making a buck or profit,top dollar..You just have to decide what you are willing to let it go for.Its not rocket science.... Good Luck with it.Personally,knowing the fact that you built that car,which means it was done right..I'd say its worth over $10K because I know better...
i had my 56 chevy on there last week,i figured it'd sell for sure with the prices others were selling for that werent even that special,just plain "drivers",not even frame off restos or high dollar billet cars either.but it didnt hit reserve,which may have seemed high,but considering i had 20 grand invested and about 4 years of weeknights and weekends and many family sacrifices..so in my eyes i couldnt sell it for anyless than my reserve. stick to your guns if you believe thats what you should get for it. i hate to think of selling mine,but im in the same boat as you though,need cash for the family. i just chalk up the reason for it not selling as maybe its "not meant to be" like others stated ,ebay is real weird though. some times ill sell things for twice what i think theyll bring,some things im sure will get good money dont hardley bring anything? ive sold parts on ebay for more than you can buy them out of catalogs for. weird,, i think 13G is fair for the Roach to someone with that kind of disposable cash. didnt that cartoon model A coupe sell for 13Gs? like others stated,prob just wrong timing,.
[ QUOTE ] No? Here it is at 2003's invite only anti-blessing I will give it away next post honestly, I like the lines of your car, but everyone was checkin out ****reynolds beautifully painted 56 chevy on ebay last week, and being a painter(If you don't beleive me ask Donnie) I like any color over flat black. Maybe nobody noticed, but the "finished" 40's style lakes roadster like jim khougaz's 32 is the hot look. Even trepanier is hip to it. Not my fave look but it's what people are spending money on. [/ QUOTE ] The invite only anti blessing is a few cars at Axles house? Hey, and thanks for the tip on whats hot! you're swell. Does anyone remember the Droopy Cartoon when Butch steals his chick and pulls up in a fancy car that has a front end soo long that takes about 30 seconds to scroll past? I love that one, man. Butch was cool.
Just got my "50 Years of Rod & Custom"... saw an incy-weency pic of the Roach Rod where they showed the April 2003 R&C magazine... Add to that, Pat Ganahl shot pictures of it when he did the feature on the digger as background "filler"... I think it's just bad timing. Sam.
its worth the coin, i really think youll get the asking price. take the prospective buyer out for a joy ride... done deal!
[ QUOTE ] I know for me it is the coolest thing I've ever built... I know I have had more fun driving it than anything else I've ever driven... its reliable, FAST... gets killer mileage... is COMFORTABLE... [/ QUOTE ] This statement should be in there when you relist it. It speaks volumes about the car. I agree with the description... it was a tad long. Quick. Short little description. Mention it has been in magazines. It'll sell... just takes the right timing.
Sam, I also got many e-mails asking the reserve price. I told everybody who inquired what it was, I thought it would "sell" the car...it may have back- fired...who knows. Once again the car didnt sell, oh well. Too bad, it's a great little ride. Pete-
sam, let me start off by saying that i really like the car. i was really hesitant to respond to this post cause i don't really like getting into the whole what do you think my car is worth thing, but since everyone else has here's my .02 i think 13k is on the high end money wise for a t roadster. i know the car is famous to some but i think the people that want a well known car usually tend to buy the high end stuff so they can say it was built by boyd or whoever. it also seems most people into traditionally styled cars like to be able to say they built it themselves even though alot of them are bought finished it seems some people still want you to think they built it themselves. they cant do that with the roach rod because it is well known. i also think ebay is probably your best bet to sell it for your asking price. i think local people also tend not to buy well covered cars like yours because to the other locals it will always be sam's car, but if it sell to some one out of state the car might not be as recognizable and they can kinda claim it as their own. some other thing you have to cosider with t's is their size. most young guys can't afford 13k and most older guys want more room than a t has to offer. with that said my dad sold a steel 25 track styled t with less than 200 miles on it for 9700 on ebay. it was a "finished" car glossy black paint, interior, fairly detailed frame, crate engine etc. the first time he put it on ebay it only got up to around 5k and his reserve was around 12k. he needed the money so he figured at 9700 he would still be making 3k so he put a buy it know up and it sold the second day. also there is a 27 t in the cl***ifieds here for around 11k(i think) finished paint flames etc. now i actually prefer your car over this one but you have to consider that for less money you are getting a "finished" car instead of a "rat rod", yes i really hate that term too, but that's how most people that buy finished cars are going to view it. i think 10-11k would be a more realistic price for your car, and that's partially because of the fame it has and because it is proven to be reliable. i see similar styled cars with asking prices of 6-8k pretty frequintly around here but they aren't "tested" like yours has been. if you want to give the japan route a shot i can get you in contact with a guy that is shipping a few car a month over there. i sold him an a pickup a couple years back for 7500 only to later find out he sold it over there for 25k. so there is deffinetly a strong market in japan. anyways i do wish you luck in getting what you want out of it just though i'd give you some of my thoughts.
I think that you should not sell the #5. I think you should sell something else before you sell that thing, but what do I know. Man, I figure most anyone who knows about hotrods knows about the roach rod, and saw it in R & C so it will always be Sam's car, you know. They would have to really change it up to make it disguised so noone would know. I can see you selling it, and then it coming back into your life Years later and you "unrestoring" it to it's former glory as the SamIyam roach rod. Kinda like these old Hotrod cover cars from the 50's.....in the year 2044, Rod 'N Custom.... "The return of the Roach"........haha really though, I think if you really gotta sell it, look into the Japan or Sweden market like dude said.
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