The only way a RC51 is going to do 205 is on nitrous, even if the guy had all of the super expensive "Honda Racing Corp" HRC parts he still we would be hard pressed to hit 205, todays honda superbikes aren't even hitting 200, this will be easily argued in court that this machine is not capable of these speeds in regualr trim, the cop should have picked a little bit more realistic speed to write down.
[ QUOTE ] local station is gonna have the cop on tv tonight, 1320 feet at 4.39 seconds is 205.1139 mph the white marks are 300 ft apart and a 1/4 mile apart, traveling in a plane you can be right on top of em,and get very good results, There are 5280 feet in one mile A vehicle traveling one mile per hour will cover 5280 feet.There are 60 minutes in one hour so a vehicle traveling one mile per hour will travel 1/60th of that distance in one minute, or 88 feet. real numbers 87.9 ft There are 60 seconds in one minute so a vehicle traveling at one mile per hour will cover 1/60th of the distance it covered in one minute, or 1.47 feet. You could also state that there are 3600 seconds in one hour and divide that number into 5280 feet and the result would be the same, 1.47 feet. that beeing said, Vascar or any other form of clocking is just that. Using a stopwatch to measure time. It's the exact opposite of Lidar. With Lidar, you take a known period of time and measure how far the object in question moved. With clocking, you do the opposite, you measure a pre-determined distance, and time how long it takes an object to move that far. If it takes you 1.70 seconds to move 150 feet, then you are moving at 88 feet per second. Convert 88 feet per second to MPH... and you have 60 MPH. Ta Da. Dirt simple. But, it's just as accurate as Lidar or Radar i like this post , horse power and related subjects m*** and drag coefficent ,you racers know the amount of horse power ,but to accelerat at a given velocity is squared and my calulations the bike has 174 horse power, that is alot for this cycle,,if he wanted to goint into all the velocity equations based up accelrations he would have to accelerate at a given speed ,not knowing this the time and terminal velocity would be diiferent based upon 205 miles per hour, Aerodynamics becomes more important the faster you go because the power required increases as the cube of speed--in other words, to double your speed, you need eight times as much power to overcome aerodynamic drag anyhow cant be stock , [/ QUOTE ] Dude I wanna party with you!!!!!!!!!!!!
200 plus on a bike is fast. For my wifes fif***h birth day she wanted a special present, to go 150 @ 50 so we took the Triumph T595 out to interstate 88 and started riding went one way nice and legal to look for cops at the turn arounds. About 5 miles past the exit we were planning to get off on we turned around and hit it. Actually we hit an indicated 155, close enough, it was uneventful, until we had to make a slow turn that you don't notice at 75 in the car, ****. It was a blast and I even got a little patch for her jacket. Her next goal is 50 at 100 we will see.
[ QUOTE ] 200 plus on a bike is fast. For my wifes fif***h birth day she wanted a special present, to go 150 @ 50 so we took the Triumph T595 out to interstate 88 and started riding went one way nice and legal to look for cops at the turn arounds. About 5 miles past the exit we were planning to get off on we turned around and hit it. Actually we hit an indicated 155, close enough, it was uneventful, until we had to make a slow turn that you don't notice at 75 in the car, ****. It was a blast and I even got a little patch for her jacket. Her next goal is 50 at 100 we will see. [/ QUOTE ] Based on my experience with drivers down here, 50mph at 100 years old will be quite a feat! It should take you about 10 miles to reach. Be sure to have your left turn signal on to warn people of your age..... Mutt
Does it HAVE to be the left signal?? I've seen oldsters with the right signal on, does that mean they're only 90?? I saw This article in the Star Tribune. Best line I disagreed with is this one, by Public Safety spokeman Smith: "I have two words for that guy and anybody else willing to do something like that -- Speed kills.". Now, has anyone here been killed by speed?? Was that biker killed by speed?? If speed really killed, would not that biker be mentioned on the obits page instead?? No, friends, STOPPING KILLS. Remember that, and don't EVER stop!!! Cosmo
It must be a regional thing. The right turn signal, in Florida, is only utilized AFTER the lane change or sudden braking for the turn, and usually requires usage of the horn by the vehicle immediately behind said vehicle. (I believe there is also a requirement that the driver's head not be visible above the head rest, but I'm not positive about that) Mutt
[ QUOTE ] I can't imagine two bills on two wheels. Hell, on four with a roll cage would probably be more than I'd care to handle. [/ QUOTE ] Before they screwed up Road Atlanta there used to be what they called "the Gravity Cavity", bascially it was a big downhill with a little jog in it. They used to set up the radar at the very bottom. No matter how well you had your suspension set up you'd get to the bottom and your suspension would bottom out and you'd get this nice little wiggle through the bike. I went throught there on my '81 GS1100 katana race bike, this was about '83-'84. They clocked me int he 160's for about 5 straight laps. Each time I went through, there it shook like a mother. When I got back to the pits and they told me how fast I was going with that little headshake there I decided I might want to race a little slower cl***...
[ QUOTE ] The only way a RC51 is going to do 205 is on nitrous, even if the guy had all of the super expensive "Honda Racing Corp" HRC parts he still we would be hard pressed to hit 205, todays honda superbikes aren't even hitting 200, this will be easily argued in court that this machine is not capable of these speeds in regualr trim, the cop should have picked a little bit more realistic speed to write down. [/ QUOTE ] I don't know. They're making 175 at the rear wheel and that's within the rules. They hit 200 at a couple of the longer tracks. I think with a more mellow gearing and a long stretch it would do it. The gearing they use on road courses is not optimal for top speed runs, it's all about acceleration off one corner to the next.
Wow, 205 is insane! I once hit 175mph ( 279km/h) in my M3 on the Autobahn...when I looked into the rear view mirror I saw a guy on the bike with his left turn signal on. He p***ed me by as if I was parking. He´s been on a Hayabusa( High- Abuse-A ) Although that´s legal over here I wouldn´t like to find out what happens if a truck pulls over on fast lane while you´re about to p***....No matter if 175 or 205. Anything around 125mph is good to handle and a good "cruising" speed if the autobahn is not too crowded. Anything above 150 feels uncomfortable and needs lots of concentration. I´d cream my pants if I went over 200mph on a bike.
I agree with the stopwatch issue - at these distances (even moreso with VASCAR), a fraction of a second is huge and at these speeds, it's just magnified. Still going that fast on public roads is quite silly... I hate the "speed kills" propaganda pushed by the insurance industry that resulted in the 55mph speed limit - speed does not kill, it merely reduces the time to react to a given situation and increases the damage if you are involved in an accident. As for the brief helmet law discussion - I'm pro choice. Let me decide if I want to wear the damn thing. Another BS propaganda ploy by our friends in the insurance industry who are concerned about us (or is it their bottom line?). The absolute perfect case study is California. What was it, 6,7 years ago they p***ed a helmet law after being one of the few w/o a law in the country? Over the following three years (I'm doing this from memory), their motorcycle registrations (per capita) went down, but motorcycle deaths (per capita) went up. Here's the kicker - as a pure percentage of motorcycle deaths, deaths due to head injury were down, but death due to neck injury had shot through the roof. This validated many of the anti-helmet law arguments re: neck injuries. But it also validated the fact you are able to maintain a better awareness of your surroundings w/o a helmet. Sounds like ABATE propaganda, but CA really proved it... I say, ****it - I'd rather die from a head injury than be paralyzed with a neck injury. Make it quick, please.
That kid is nuts!! [ QUOTE ] some kid in Michigan made the news yesterday for getting arrested for 156 on the highway. [/ QUOTE ] Doesn't everyone drive like that in Michigan??
[ QUOTE ] That kid is nuts!! [ QUOTE ] some kid in Michigan made the news yesterday for getting arrested for 156 on the highway. [/ QUOTE ] Doesn't everyone drive like that in Michigan?? [/ QUOTE ]
As for helmets-- it won't do anything in a high speed wreck, but in most in town-25-40 accidents I imagine it would make a huge difference. Look at Indian Larry- would he be here if he had a helmet on?
I doubt he was really going over two hundred. I don't think that road is flat enough, straight, or wide enough. I've been close to 160mph on my '84 VF1000F Interceptor. 150mph is a hell of a lot faster than 130. At that speed what you thought used to be a nice long straightaway gets eaten-up pretty quick. There are too many distractions on a public highway to truly open one up no matter what the horsepower.
You're basing the speed recorded in this on a cop flying a plane and watching the action below him being able to have the exact same reaction time pushing a stopwatch ****on twice in less than 5 seconds. And that's a pretty short distance to try and measure speed compared to the reaction time difference. Hauling ***, sure. Accurate measurement at 205? no way. As for radars, I've used cop radars to clock trees at over 80mph while the cop car was parked. The newer stuff filters a lot of the glitches out, but there are still reasons why radar isn't used for reliable speed measurements at NHRA and Bonneville.
[ QUOTE ] As for radars, I've used cop radars to clock trees at over 80mph while the cop car was parked. The newer stuff filters a lot of the glitches out, but there are still reasons why radar isn't used for reliable speed measurements at NHRA and Bonneville [/ QUOTE ] The new guns filter out much EMI, but nothing else. There is no MTI in a speed gun - in other words, you don't know what the reading you're getting is based on. The gun will record the speed of the largest radar return in its beam. The beam isn't narrow like a pencil either, it's quite wide. The early guns were all 24 degrees beam width - move out 1/4 mile from the radar & that's a wide swath of road. The newer guns are mostly 12.5 degrees beam width; better, but still fairly wide. Radar guns also can't discriminate between approaching or receding traffic and there are some very odd phenomenon ***ociated with moving radar - particuarly around curves. All in all, police radar is extremely unreliable - except as a method of collecting the "speed tax"
Sorry, a cop hitting a stop watch can't be anywhere near accurate, how the hell do they get away with prosicuting on that info, over here they would chuck it out of court in a blink, pretty hard to argue from either side, hell the cop coulda sneezed and hit the stop ****on ?? do they video the whole deal or anything ?? nuts.... still 205's pretty fast, best I ever did from memory is about 140mph on a mate big jappa, pretty hard to think of anything other then farmers with tractors pulling out of any of the driveways you are zipping fast
I wonder if this kid's lawyer is good....maybe he'll read the HAMB and come up with a defence.... I was busted by an unmarked car (a non -Chevy Caprice/Ford Crown Vic type) - when I tried to race him.....he waited until I hit 105 before he hit the lights....ut-ohhhh..... No drivey for a year, and probation for another afterwards...Not even a work license. I have done 140 on a (borrowed) Yamaha FZR 600R. It had a jet kit and headers, that's all - it was just a small bike and this was in the early 90's!! Bikes get faster every year (fractionally of course). I believe that dude could hit 2 hundy if he really wanted to. It's have to be a real monster though.... I was on a straight/level road doing 135-140ish on said bike, when I encountered a dip followed by a rise leading into another dip......the steering went away and there was "play" in the bars for a second, followed by the feeling of landing and then the resulting headshake/tank-******* type of event.....Me go poopy in my ******* then never, ever do that again.....I didn't crash (my buddy's) bike, but I came real close. I kept all of my bike antics to doing wheelies and burnouts with the occasional run up to 100 after that. When it came time to buy my own bike I got a Harley - nice and slow..... The buddy who lent me that 600 was doing about 80 one night when he was going home on a backroad (about 1999 or so) when a deer jumped up out of a ditch....he hit it in the neck and it spun up and wrapped around him.....he doesn't remember much after that. Only that he woke up in the morning and was still laying in the ditch when the sun was coming up. After the light broke someone noticed a lot of blood on the road and pieces of a bike in the ditch. He was found about 50 yards from the bike. He broke dozens of bones from his leg to his ribs and his wrist. He lived, but he suffers daily with pains - and let's you know about it too!!! He's a year older than me (32) but he acts like he's about 80.....He still rides.
[ QUOTE ] As for radars, I've used cop radars to clock trees at over 80mph while the cop car was parked. The newer stuff filters a lot of the glitches out, but there are still reasons why radar isn't used for reliable speed measurements at NHRA and Bonneville. [/ QUOTE ] Vascar is more accurate the slower you are, and less accurate the faster you are. The "V" in Vascar stands for Visual. Radar and Laser measurements actually get MORE accurate as the target gets faster. Their inaccuracy is fairly fixed, and becomes a smaller precentage of the overall speed as the target's speed rises.
AND NOW THE TRUCK... please note that the truck is wearing a helmet (I believe the head is still inside)
and the hosing...as promised... I've got all 8 from the fire department if you really need to see them but I think you get the general idea. He was only going an estimated 90MPH...but the truck added 55 MPH in the other direction so we'll call it an even 145.
Damn..!!! good thing it was a dump truck..?? if it was an import car or the like, woulda killed them too.... I can't believe all of this talk and NOBODY has brought up this guy.... http://www.ghostridermovie.net/ check out the movie trailers..!!! **** is awesome.... by the way, I got caught going 70+ in a 25 on Mission St.... got a 'speed contest' and 'exhibition of speed' ticket, (cop actually wrote a ticket and let me go, he could have arrested me and impounded my car, but was cool about it since I was taking a girl home to the college.... hahaha) I had to get a lawyer but never had to take time off work for court again.... ended up costing like $900 for the lawyer, and around $300 to the city, but the ticket was knocked down to a 2-point speeding ticket, and I kept my license.... worth every penny..!!! My buddy in the same car, a '71 Datsun 510, got pulled over going 110 in a 40 on Fremont Blvd. in Fremont.... late at night he saw a car coming off the highway, tried to race him, blew him away, slowed down to let him catch up a bit, then blew him away again, 4th gear 110mph, came to stoplight the car got behind him and popped the lights on.... had him toss the keys out the window with his hands visible cuz he knew he could out run him..!! hahaha anyway, believe it or not, the cop ended up letting him go with a warning..!!! probably just didn't want to deal with the paperwork etc., plus it was like 1:30am and nobody was around.... middle of the day would have been a different story I'm sure..!! I've personally taken my car up to around 135-140 or so.... I can't really be sure since the speedo maxes out at 120, but I've buried that ****er at only 5000rpm in 5th gear.... I'd love to take it to Bonneville to find out how fast I'm really going.... it get's a bit sketchy on the highways, not like sketchy handling-wise, it's smooth as hell, but I really don't want to get caught (again).... hahaha
Wife and I were coming home from one of those long distance car shows one night this summer. Came around a curve around midnight and everything was lit up like daylight. Cop cars, meat wagons, and lots of bikers along the road. The place we turned around was a Ford mini van with a hole THROUGH it. Something hit it head on, just to the center of the p***enger side headlight, had the front suspension laying outward, seperated the dash into two peices and exited through the front edge of the p***enger rear side door. Most of the attention was a little farther around the curve, down the road. Police/emergancy workers were walking aroung with little bags picking stuff up. Story was, two bikes were racing, and missed the corner. It didn't take me long to deciede to turn around and leave. Back when I was much younger, a lot of guys told me I should get a bike because I liked to go fast, and I could go faster on a bike. I always told them that the way I drove, there just wasn't enough wheels on bikes, and I needed all 4. A few of the cars I had back then almost did me in, I doubt I'd still be here if I'd gotten int bikes. Gene
Don't think the noggin is still in the bucket on the truck: Not to be totally morbid of gross, but the head holds a lot of blood and it'd drain down the front of the truck. And you can see the white paint of the bar through the face of the helmet. If the head were to come off, it'd come off at the weakest, thinnest point--the neck. Really not trying to be sick, that's just what I think about it. Go ahead and post all eight here through! I agree, it is an EXCELLENT education for people. Not just some freak show, but it could make someone think before begging the needle. The old place I used to work got press vehicles pretty often, and I've gotten to hang it out in WS-6 Firebirds, Camaros, Corvettes, Mustangs and Vipers. 120 in a Viper is standing still. And that's a bad thing: very, very common for brand new Vipers to be wrecked on their first weekend. They far exceed 99.5 percent of most driver's abilities. (Mine included) And we all think we're racing gods, don't we? I spun one at Mororo's road course at a Viper driving school: grabbed 2nd instead of 4th on a downshift going into the corner. Nothing to do but hang on and watch the concrete wall p*** in front of the windshield. Then watch it again. And again. Didn't contact, but it was humbling. Know another guy who was racing one in Detroit on their cool sub-teranean freeways, and his p***enger panicked and pulled the emergency brake at over a buck forty. He did make contact. He walked away, but almost killed his friend with his bare hands. And I do completely agree that helmet laws are a good idea: the cranium doesn't need much of an impact to turn you into a vegetable. All jokes aside. I know one guy who lost an adult son to a 15mph crash because he wasn't wearing a helmet, and when my dad was a kid, a cl***mate was on one of those little scooters and fell off the back when the kid driving let out the clutch--hit his head on the driveway and died. I think there are far, far more bike accidents at slow speeds than highway speeds. -Brad
hey, you're right about the head not being in the helmet. i got to looking at some other pictures and found it. you're right about the blood too...pretty runny stuff. makes ya think twice about this kind of thing. I looked at the ghost rider video too. he'll be this guy someday.
Geez, I just looked at that last one again and need to figure out how to delete it? It's a little rougher than I originally thought.
just hit the edit ****on, and when you go to 'repost' it, just hit the option: "I want to preview my modifications and add or edit an attachment".... then just don't include the picture.... gnarly pic by the way....
Thanks. It's gone now. Some things are better left to the imagination...or maybe just regular e-mail. The shot of his girlfriend is almost as bad.
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