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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by rusty rocket, Feb 5, 2017.

  1. rusty rocket
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    Thanks guys, still weighing my options.
     
  2. junkyardjeff
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    I would think that finding a block and machining it to fit your parts would be cheaper then a crate motor.
     
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  4. junkyardjeff
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    Did anything else in the garage freeze up.
     
  5. 56sedandelivery
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    That's the thing with drag cars now, NO ANTIFREEZE allowed on the track. Then, when the season's over, guys forget there's only water in the cooling system; race motors are expensive too! Seems you're pretty much sold on the crate motor idea; sell the 327 for parts, or find a 4 bolt 350 block to swap the rotating assembly into. That "yellow" block posted is more what I've seen; yours really wanted to push a large chunk out. Now, a Rambler Wagon, that's different.
    I am Butch/56sedandelivery.
     
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  6. toml24
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    ANTIFREEZE is not allowed in NASCAR short track oval racing as well. Many a accident would spill the green crap all over the asphalt and the clean-up safety crew would never be able to get the track clean quickly.
     
  7. Guess thats one of the few saving graces for cars here in Australia. We dont really have the temperatures of a low to crack a block! Can get really cold in country vic, but up here in QLD when its cold, its hot, when its hot, its really, really hot!
     
  8. 19Eddy30
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    This Rod for cast iron is Bad A$$


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  9. Sodium silicate (water glass). Just make sure that the water leak hasn't gotten into the oil supply... :(
     
  10. 19Eddy30
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    Blue Devil ??
     
  11. old chevy luver
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    I got one. I was restoring a 76 4x4 Silverado, Chevrolet use to have a lottery for old stock parts in the warehouse. I wanted to build a 330 motor for the truck so I put in a request for a fitted 305 (brand new block with fitted piston and rings) and won one. So ground a crank down and slapped it together. Put it in the truck and wanted to fire it up and the antifreeze barrel was empty. So I fill it with water and fired it up ran great. Then forgot about the truck till I got all of the interior back, decided to bring it to my house and put the interior in at my garage. Got it all done and let it sit then winter came, the rest is history. Got the new radiator to.

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  12. rusty rocket
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    I havent found anything else.
    I saw on a short video on this stuff. Im going to really look into.
     
  13. gary terhaar
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    Not saying this will happen but now that I said something,your screwed.
    I have a engine shop, a ohc Pontiac 6 cyl came in cracked along the deak from a freeze up.
    Number matching car so the owner insisted it be repaired.
    No problem,preheat to 400 and have at it. 14 inches of weld and it welded beautifully. Now to deak the surface on the trusty 85b.
    Took close to .030 to make flat again. Man did that thing pull.
    A high compression deal to start with,piston work and a bunch of chamber work to get it back to reality. No aftermarket cams to blow off compression,regrind out of question,base circle is set from valve cover. What a mechanical snow ball.
    You would need to square deak the block after welding on both banks ,around .020 the intake become a issue if the heads were milled at one time.
    Get another block,machine as needed. Better and more cost effective in the long run.
    Just rip the bandaid off,it hurts less in the long run.
     
  14. 19Eddy30
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    We used this Rod & saved a $3,500 Ford block , Ran the Engine for 2 seasons in dirt track car
    With No issue, then Engine (block)was transplanted to Drag car ,
     
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  15. RR
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    Hate to say it, but that 327 block is nothing special. Find you a 350 block and swap internals- as many have said- and you are back in 327 business. Easy peasey.

    Interesting pictures- I recently got a block that had a crack similar to yours- horizontal just below the deck. First time I have seen one crack like that. I verified the one I had is cracked using crack check sprays from the welders store and got my $ back.
     
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  16. Another piece of irreplaceable history gone from the planet. Freeze plugs are misnamed for sure.

    My people homesteaded in ND (I'm a grandfather and this was my grandfather). I'm so thankful my dad relocated to Texas. We had an overnight hard freeze in December that put a little wilt in one of my landscape cactus. I had to shake the dust off my coat, too. I feel ya.... cold weather can be such a pain.
     
  17. gimpyshotrods
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    Yup. Call your local machine shop. Mine could find a bore-matched block in about 90-seconds.

    A few hours of fitting/checking parts, and you are back in the game, and not for big money, either.
     
  18. gimpyshotrods
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    That's because they are not freeze plugs.

    They are core plugs, for getting the casting sand out.
     
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  19. gimpyshotrods
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    If I remember correctly, a naked 350 block weighs 155lbs. UPS will do 150lbs. Put the main caps in a separate box.

    I have shipped 146lb T56 transmissions via UPS in a well padded Rubbermaid or Sterelite 45-gallon totes. 50-gallon totes get an oversize charge. I think you can get a 350 block in one.
     
  20. junkyardjeff
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    If nothing else froze up that gets me to thinking it was a bad block from the beginning and a slight freeze finished it off,even if you had removed the water that crack might have shown up the first time antifreeze was put in but not as large of a crack.
     
  21. Blue One
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    That is very doubtful.
    The power of freezing water is beyond what you may think and will destroy the strongest casting you could throw at it.
    I think that the block was fine and wasn't what you suggested it might have been.
     
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  22. junkyardjeff
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    I bought a truck with a cracked block and the water in the block was completely froze up and the crack was not as bad as that one,this truck was sitting outside where this one was inside and out of the elements and I drove it 3 years with only minor seepage.
     
  23. Onemansjunk
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  25. Atwater Mike
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    *It's called 'water glass'...available at better drug stores (!) Actually is a formula from powdered egg whites! (Home Ec 1, guys... Those nerdy guys know where the info is...Plus, they get ALL the chicks!)
     
  26. bonzo-1
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    Grab a 350 block and bore to your pistons, gaskets bearings and rings. Or go buy a short block from your local rebuilder put your stuff in it. Crate motors suck.
     
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  27. Early Ironman
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    I am all for using what you've got. My vote for machining another block is already in the hat.
    But not all crate motor builders are created equal.
    Have seen some quality crate motors from places that know what they are doing. But have also seen crate motors full of metal shavings and crappy gasket sets.



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  28. rusty rocket
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    Back on the mend. It does make me a bit sick looking at the sedan torn down but it should be short lived. Bought a new g.m. performance 300 horse 350 from Karl Chevrolet. IMG_1784.JPG IMG_1789.JPG IMG_1814.JPG
     
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  29. Johnboy34
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    And now anything except a freeze in on warranty. ;)
     
  30. jimmy six
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    The SCTA has the same water only rule too. Not a good idea at the October meet in Utah or November at El Mirage..

    Can I ask? What's with the green?
     

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