I know, it's not what you were expecting but it's all pre-65. Somewhere in the 55-56-57 Ford thread, there's a pic of the short tail 57 I raced at Santa Maria, CA. After we took about a million pounds of excess iron out of the T-Bird, we set it on the 57 frame and, Voila, we had a Late Model. That's the nose of my almost new 65 behind the Bird.