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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by hot rod lee, Apr 14, 2008.

  1. hot rod lee
    Joined: Aug 31, 2005
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    what is total timeing and how do i check it?

    thanks lee.
     
  2. That would be your mechincal and vacuum advance plus what ever the idle starting point is.
     
  3. Bruce Lancaster
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    Generally two different checks...total of centrifugal and static timing is checked for full-throttle operation with vac can disconnected, vac adds in more advance for general cruise conditions so engine isn't retarded during most driving.
    Going in, check your static timing as in shop manual or whatever spec you use. Find out roughly how much centrifugal you have by twisting rotor (on most engines) and marking the arc on distrib, then multiply by 2 to make crank degrees.
    Try to find both factory curve (how many degrees at what RPM, centrifugal only) and some generic hotrod info on your engine for parameters.
    Disconnect and plug vac, rev up engine with timing light and degrees marked off on pulley. See what happens whe, and when total is achieved. Most engines like full (full throttle) advance by 2,000, most have advance too slow in stock form.
     
  4. DrJ
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    What engine do you want to check?
     
  5. hot rod lee
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    my motor is a 350 S.B.C.
     
  6. DrJ
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    What year and type distributor?
    Does it have that year's vacuum advance unit on it?
    Points distributors up to early 70's ran about 24 degrees of mechanical advance and the vacuum added about 10-12.
    Setting these at around 11BTC at a 650RPM idle with with the vacuum disconnected was a good ballpark.
    Later "smog distributors" ran less mechanical advance and more vacuum advance for emissions reasons (but they sucked in the power dept.)
    Some of them ran little or no initial advance.
    All of this is assuming you are running a manifold vacuum vacuum advance, the way Chevy designed it.

    I like to run a vacuum advance that advances 10-12 degrees and mark my dampener at 36 degrees, on a '69 or older points distributor then with the vacuum disconnected I run the RPM's up till it's not advancing on the mechanical centrifugal advance any more and I crank it in so that 36 degree mark is under the zero pointer and clamp it down. then I reconnect the manifold sourced vacuum advance.
    Sometimes on our "winter blend" I have to kick it back a couple of degrees from that to keep it from pinking when cruising at high RPM (Autobahn speed)
     
  7. hot rod lee
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    my distributor is a mallory 85 series HEI with vac advance

    thanks lee.
     
  8. jonny o
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    In general, the timing is the precise moment of when the spark fires compared to where the piston is in it's cycle.

    As the rotation of the motor speeds up, the timing needs to advance in sync.

    Your total timing is your initial timing set (checked at idle) with the additional advance that the rpm's bring dependent on your system (checked at high rpm).
     
  9. hot rod lee
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    thanks guys im starting to get it now but more info would be a big help

    thanks lee
     

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