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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by flatheadrob, May 12, 2004.

  1. flatheadrob
    Joined: May 12, 2004
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    how do you tint primer? i am trying to create a dark navy blue satin finish with primer or enamel. <font color="blue"> </font>
     
  2. I wouldnt mind knowing this as well, but these are going to rip you a new one, if you dont do an intro..
     
  3. JOECOOL
    Joined: Jan 13, 2004
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    My local NAPA store does it for me when I buy the primer . He just did some Burple the other day. This was epoxy type primer by the way.
     
  4. overspray
    Joined: Jan 14, 2003
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    Some primer systems can be tinted with single stage mixing colors (tints). Most of these are urethane 2 part primers or sealers. Sikkens actually has red, green, yellow, blue, black, and white urethane primers that can be blended to get almost any color you desire including a dark blue. This is their primer for filling and sanding, but by changing the hardner you can make it into a nonsanding sealer for sealing before painting in about any color compatible with your paint color. This is helpful with colors that don't cover very well. You could buy the primer tinted the dark blue you want use it for your final sanding coat then change to the sealer hardner and put a couple coats of that over top which will be satin. It's not going to be as durable long term as using paint as a topcoat finish. It's a really cool system but spendy. But if you compare the fill rate for sanding compared to less expensive primers, which you will need more of, the price per fill volume comes a lot closer. I'm actually going for the same color effect on my A coupe, but I'm using single stage urethane with about 75-90% flattener in the mix over top of a good quality urethane sanding primer. This will be better for long term durability and weather/moisture resistance. You get what you pay for. overspray
     
  5. Slide
    Joined: May 11, 2004
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    Welcome from another newbie!

    Anyway, Here is how I got purple primer for my car. (This is all straight outta PPG's specs, BTW.)

    I used PPG's K93 Tintable Primer. Mine was tinted using DMC 934 purple, which is really a tint for PPGs "Concept" paint. THe deal is, tho, that this made it kind of like a transparent primer. Almost like a candy. The purple pigments used are by nature transparent, as are many blues like you mentioned. Therefore it took several coats to get any coverage. Also, this is not a finish you can leave out in daylight all the time. It will last about 3X as long as the popular DP90 black primer, but it will still fade pretty bad. (The attached pic actually shows my 2nd re-coat of this primer due to fading from having this as my daily driver for about 7 yrs.

    If this is to be your final finish on the car, I'd go along with overspray's recommendations to use flattener in real paint. Primer ain't meant to hold up to UV rays like paint.

    feel free to email me if you need more info...


     

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  6. dj Melon
    Joined: Apr 23, 2004
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    All the advice you've been given is good.....
    We use and good sealer over out body work and use
    base coat and don't put clear coat on top (comes out looking "satin", flatner will dull it to get the primer look)...you can have any color you want. Mine has been on for over a year and it still beads water and doesn't fade...and any repair is a snap! Just another idea for you to think about.
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    Melon / Gap Road Customs
     
  7. hudson_hawk
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    [ QUOTE ]
    All the advice you've been given is good.....
    We use and good sealer over out body work and use
    base coat and don't put clear coat on top (comes out looking "satin", flatner will dull it to get the primer look)...you can have any color you want. Mine has been on for over a year and it still beads water and doesn't fade...and any repair is a snap! Just another idea for you to think about.
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    Melon / Gap Road Customs

    [/ QUOTE ]


    wont this stain just as bad as primer?
     
  8. Bugman
    Joined: Nov 17, 2001
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    If you're doing it on the cheap....

    1 QT gray primer
    1 QT blue paint
    Equals
    1/2 gallon blue tinted primer

    -Jeff
     
  9. flatheadrob
    Joined: May 12, 2004
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    I think the base coat is the way to go. How much flattner do you mix into the base?
     
  10. overspray
    Joined: Jan 14, 2003
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    NONE--flattener in the basecoat will further LESSEN the durability of it. It's already designed to be a very thin film-3 coats about 1-1.5 mils at most. (20 mils is about the thickness of a dime) There are several flat clears available. Each coat of clear is 1-1.5 mils thick plus clears have ultraviolet protection-basecoat does not. Minimum thickness on most paints for durability is 4.5 mils. overspray
     

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