Title & Tag Harrassment.

I agree that it's a bunch of bullshit! What if the engine is replaced in a new car? Does it need a new VIN then, too? And what's the B.S. about if a frame is replaced you need a new VIN? God, What if you got them both done? Does the DMV Gestapo come and take your car away? I work at a GM dealer. When we get hard hits on trucks and the body shop replaces a frame, they surely don't get a new VIN. The frame has no VIN type #'s on it. And when I put in a new engine I don't even record the #'s on it for any reason. Surely they don't magicallly match the VIN! This is just your state DMV being stupid with your tax money, making laws to squash the fun of a few for the benefit of no one. It angers me more than you will ever know. This shit has got to stop! (Especially since we're paying for it)Fight hard young Jedi!!!!........MIKE

 

Yeah, this does SUCK. I will get it straightened out. All out of state veh. coming into KS must be inspected by the HW Patrol. I just knew this was coming. Figured it would float thru with matching clean title & all. Well, inspector seemed like all other control freaks with a badge. Fucking killjoy. Model A is stashed in storage container, while we all wonder why Tunners & Trucks become more popular. Probly 'cause they can drive there tunners, eh? Ran out & paid Attorney retainers fee today. Hopefully 30 to 60days it'll be straightened out.

 

I just dont get the KHP and KSDMV on old cars. It really does come down to the inspector you get. You didnt get an older grey haired guy with a goatie did you?

I had a big hassle with my original/matching numbers car that I had owned in cali for 3 years and bought over to KS with me. The first guy (see above) at joco rejected it and said that the vin plate had been tampered with (it clearly hasnt), so we argued for a bit (dont do this!) and I got referred to the Olathe KHP inspection station, 4 days of sweating it out, then they looked at it and said "that vin plate is correct for the year of your car" and proceeded to compliment me on the car and I got antique plates for it.

When I got the chev done (sbc, subframe) the khp marked the form as "hotrod" "not original" etc etc and I was fully expecting the DMV to title it as a constructed but the lady asked me "do you want this to be a street rod?", I said "no thanks just make it a normal car like it is on the signed over to me title" so she did.

Anyways, good luck. My KHP experiences have made me really cautious and I would not buy another out of state car without a thorough title, vin, frame inspection. Of course, as I understand it, if its an old car and the car is already titled in KS, you dont need the inspection and any piece of shit is ok!

 

Geez, was that really necessary?

Have you tried another DMV location or tried calling the State office that handles the DMV and ask them what you need to do?

Here in IL if the first DMV office says no, go to one in a little town. I've always had luck that way. The bigger the city, the bigger the pain in the ass.

 

Thats lame... WA isnt much better, I alwasy just transfer the title without the car outside. My Packard is sitting on a 68 LTD chassis.. .. If I sell it, i'll just write out a full statement to the buyer about what I did and have it notorized. A HOT young DMV gal told me about that loophole.. I am gonna have to go through the crap for my 53 5 window on a 74 chev chassis... WA patrol inspects all out of state vehicles, and conversions... and on top of that you have to register it as a 200* and emissions! If that isnt wrong I dont know what is... expecting a 74 chassis with a built 400 to pass emissions is bs. Hope ya get your car squared away bro.

 

Humm.. you must be gettin free cars ????????? 15 bux but there is tax involved too.
Dave

 

Ive been dealing with a small town one here in michigan but they arent small town anymore. The thing i make sure i do especially with the ny titles is claim at a minimum 2500.00 purchase price. they want thier 6 percent . Its all a money deal. They really dont care if the car is stolen cause the puker should tell em that.
The only problem is with the current price of 1932 titles and then the tax its gettin spensive I was working with a guy that had some 32 titles from kansas and they were recent. I dropped the ball on that one but im still thinking bout gettin a couple and reselling em after i transfer them to michigan... It looks like a money maker to me but as all good deals go it could come back to bite me in the ass at any time.
Dave

 

AAA in California do have a DMV window for transfers and renewals but...(at least here in SoCal) don't "verify" out of state cars. I tried to get a Harley done through them that I bought out of state and they told me to get the VIN verified by the highway patrol or a freestanding DMV office. Both require appointments and the highway patrol was backlogged about a month.

 

I saved this link from a while back.........I have not tried it lately, but it is a good thing growing up in a small town and everyone knows you.....kinda'.

http://www.kansashighwaypatrol.org/press/brochure/antique.pdf

 

Here in Illinois, I bought a tittle from a place on the east coast I found in Rod N Custom, stamped the numbers on the frame in two places, took the paperwork in, now I have a tittle and plates for a 27 Ford Roadster pickup. $125. for tittle, $65. to Illinois for tittle, then when the car was done I bought the plates. Nobody ever came to look at the car. Dont tell them its a rod, tell them you have "restored an old car".

 

Being born and raised in Kansas and only moved to Texas in 2001. I can say from experience the Kansas DMV system is the most archaic system in the country.
I said it back when and will say it again. You'll be buying '32 Fords titled as 2007's in the years to come out of Kansas.


KHP has to inspect every vehicle that comes instate looking to register as a Kansas vehicle.

 

If the system doesn't work for you then walk around the fence.Personel contacts may be able to produce historical documents from your state.If the paper originates in your state then there is no DMV involvement other than instate paper change and lisencing.I wouldn't know how I know that.

 

Stamp the VIN onto the frame. Take it to a different DMV office. In the 70s, I titled a Model A in OK, and the lady at the tag office told me to stamp the VIN on the frame, and I obeyed. No problem.

 

ohio sucks. same shit i ran into.

 

yeah, ohio's very diffucult...must have vin inspection on out of state titles ,no exceptions

 

If you have a relative that lives in another state, that you trust, title it there. You could either put it in your name or your relatives. If you use your name, if you get stopped, just tell the cop that your cousin and you have the same name. You'll be able to drive it and have fun with it, for a while, while you figure out how to get around the problems you are having.

 

I don't think that you have to go through the State Patrol anymore in Washington.

 

If you bring an out of state vehicle into Washington the web site says they still check the numbers against the stolen vehicles database, but they no longer require a physical inspection of each vehicle.

In Washington you can play a game called 'bonded title' that lets you register the vehicle and drive it, but you don't get a title for two or three years. A friend of mine made it though that process and now has a clear title on a '54 Chevy pickup that came from out of state with no title.

 

by all means get a kansas historical document. It saves all kinds of hassle. It always amazes me the trouble most hotrod owners ask for at the DMV. You go in, give them what they want, then leave. If you know you have to have a out of state car inspected, get an in state title. If you have a hotrod, and an original title, keep your mouth shut, nod, and get the title transferred. It's not rocket science. After all, it's the DMV you're dealing with.

 

Sorry to hear that you're going through this type of bullshit Carl. I had no idea it was so difficult in Kansas. That car didn't have a title when I bought it...the title came from Street Rod'n outta Maryland...it was a New York registration renewal for a 30 Ford 2 door sedan. New York doesn't require a title for anything that old...so you just sign the back of your registration renewal when you sell your car. I just walked into my local DMV and transferred the title over to me. Lickedy split, just like that...and this'll tell you just how leaniant the Wisconsin DMV is compared to Kansas...they never saw the car, and the registration renewal form that I took in to them was from 1954.
This is the exact same way that I titled my coupe...and I've never had a problem with it. And that's a 30 Ford body with a '59 Cadillac mill and one of my frames. Here's the thing... As far as the State of Wisconsin is concerned, the title that I signed over to you is legal and all you need here. I could have put plates on it the same day I got the title in my name..the only reason I didn't was because the car was going to you. There is one loop hole that might be able to get you around all of this...a couple friends of mine have done this....Get a P.O. Box in my town. Then, sign your name to the title and put down the P.O. Box here as your address. Send the title into the Wisconsin DMV, and they'll send you some Wisconsin plates. I guess it's a last straw type of suggestion...let me know what happens man...I'll help you out any way that I can.

 

The AAA deal must just be in certain states, because our local pennsylvania AAA wont touch anything but a basic transfer. no reconstructed,special const,or street rod titles. they will only do the basics.

 

Here in Alabama, anything prior to 1976 they don't title at all. all you need is a noterized bill of sale to get a tag. I guess we have it made in that aspect of things.

 

Cadillackid is right, in Wisconsin just title it, put hobbist plates on it and no problems no hassles. No fenders need if it is 1950 or older. Good state to hot rod in!

 

Yeah, what a hassle. I'm afraid there is no taking the Model A to any other DMV. KC - 1 dmv & if theres a problem, they referre you to the Olathe office & everyone I've talked too has already heard about the chopped car. It's funny 'cause setting at the dmv & dealing with that jackass, I had two people come up & take pics of the car with me in it. You could see the steam coming off the dmv jerk. Then put the model A on a tow truck & another couple walks up & takes a few pics. But, basically I just got to file for a Quiet Title which is a lawsuit against the DMV, the judge will make a order for the car to get new numbers & then the HPatrol (I smell bacon) will be forced to put a number tag on the car. So far, the only thing I'll have to for sure have is mirrors, horn, seat belts, high / low beam headlights. No true emiss. stuff. But again, that info. came from the same fuckin DMV jerks I'm dealing with so OF COURSE that shit will change when I get the car back up there to them. They appear to change the rules at their convenience. Cross your fingers for me this all works. Again, this reaffirms why not too many people are in this hobby. Most people appear to have loopholes to work around this stuff, but they don't always work. Carl Hagan.

 

3 words..move to Missouri..Kansas has screwed me on 2 sales, same as your problem.I won't even try to sell to KS unless it has all of it's ducks in order. I'm building a 48 ford for a guy in KS and he wanted to put the car in his name before it was done and you would have thought you were growing Crack in your backyard,I sold it to him with an up to date Missouri title. Good Luck

 

You could move to Maine ... any car over 15 years old, give or take a few years, does not need a title... period. Just a bill of sale. Sure, you only get to drive it a few months out of the year, but You're not driving it if it's sitting in a storage container either. Good luck Hombre.

 

Guess I better add, because this things gonna have to go thru full blown inspect. now, I'm putting up a wanted add for a few pieces I need to pass this model A thru the system: outside mirrors for both sides, rear view mirror, some lap belts, simple horn system. Pm me if your in KC area with a cheap alternative. Probly unbolt most of this stuff after the inspect, so just anything that might work.

 

Pre 49 only requires a bill of sale to register in Kansas. Why not have your nieghbor write you a bill of sale with the numbers off the original title, take your insurance card and your bill of sale in and a couple hundred later you have a Kansas tiltle.

 

Pre 49 rule is only for original vehicles. The big deal with the dmv was "2 of the 3 main components have been changed." Meaning it's a 350 small block & a new frame. This was the kind of info I heard before getting the car, but upon driving it to the dmv for inspection, then of course everything changed. Plus, it's an outta state car so all outta state cars coming into KS have to be inspected. Been dealing with this dmv chode for too long already. Fuck, how many people have traditional hotrods which they can't legally drive?? hmmm.

 

Wow...this is just nuts. Sounds like somebody needs to go do a 4 a.m. open header smokeshow in front of this DMV fucker's house...wink wink...