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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by mcmopar, Nov 2, 2015.

  1. mcmopar
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    I have been looking for one all over the internet. I see them in pics on the snowwhite site, but cant find them anywhere. Maybe I am calling them the wrong name.
     
  2. dirt t
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    got a picture?
     
  3. oj
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    Do you mean a 'clevis?'
     
  4. mcmopar
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    I don't think it is a clevis, it has to be adjustable, to help with the angle at the center of the rear axle.
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  5. OlAZGuy
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    Page 1235 in the McMaster-Carr catalog has what you're looking for.
     
  6. seb fontana
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    ^^^^^ Clevis..
     
  7. onetrickpony
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    Yep, a clevis is what you want.
     
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    That is a Clevis .
    A heim with high angle offset washers might help the fit, but it will The mounting bolt will be in shear .

    The pan hard bar looks to be way too short. So I'd fix that first .
    If you can't fix that,,,,
    You could change the bar angles so they flow better. It doesn't have to be straight . You could change that lower mounting plate angle so it flows better.

    Edit.
    My bad that's just a locating bar not a pan hard bar.
     
  9. mcmopar
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    Yep I need a clevis, thanks guys. Is there a spot where I can buy the clevis, tubing, bushing, and tabs in one spot. I can build the tabs and thread the rod if needed. 31vicky, that is not my set up. Mine is close but I have more angle on the tab. I have some good pics of in in this thread. Take a look and give me your opinion, I got my big boy pants on I can take it. Plus I just want it right, and safe.

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/shock-location.996810/
     
  10. i don't think that bar in question is a panhard bar , i believe it is only holding the front of the center section from moving.

    you should be able to get all the parts you need to make one from Pete & Jakes
     
  11. woodiewagon46
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    McMaster-Carr is the place, www.mcmaster-carr.com. Type in Clevis Rod and you will get several choices. I have been dealing with them for 50 years and get all my hardware and other building needs.
     
  12. Bigblue61
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    I don't know if you have a place around where you live that caters to circle track racing but they should also have pretty much everything you need there
     
  13. 56don
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    Depending upon what quality you want, Speedway also has all of that stuff. I have seen some say on here that they think the quality of their stuff is inferior and others say its great.
     
  14. mgtstumpy
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    JEGS also has them
     
  15. Marty Strode
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    Ditto !
     
  16. alchemy
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    Clevises like the one pictured are NOT meant to move. The joint should stationary. If you want a joint for a panhard bar you will need a clevis with thicker legs, like those commonly found on brake pedals, or industrial hydraulic cylinders. But be aware they will not allow ANY side movement at all, such like happens in a moving suspension joint.

    Some of you are thinking that clevises are used all over hot rod suspensions, but note that those locations like the batwings of a hairpin don't "work" up and down or side to side. They are held rigid.
     
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  17. mcmopar
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    To clear this up this is not a panhard bar in the picture. I will have a poly bushing on one end then, a clevis on the other.
     
  18. alchemy
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    But, are you planning on using a clevis on a panhard bar?
     
  19. mcmopar
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    Nope I am not. There is no Panhard bar in this setup.
     

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  20. alchemy
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    OK, the type of clevis in question would be perfect for your application.
     
  21. 38Chevy454
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    Just for clarification for those not knowledgeable, that is a Jaguar IRS. The bar is just to locate the rearend, it is not a panhard bar. The mounting location for the bar on the rearend does not move up and down, it is fixed. So a clevis is a good choice in this application, and is the correct term to search.
     
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  22. mcmopar
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    I am a slow mover on somethings, and I am ready to order my clevis. Do I order a left hand thread and a right hand one? These are the ones I am looking at,
    https://www.mcmaster.com/#rod-ends/=15gixgp

    Are they to big for my set up? I also have to order some tube to thread, I can't come up with the type for some reason.
    Tony
     
  23. wisdonm
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    If you are only going to use them on one end of a link you should get a right hand thread. If you are using them on both ends of a link, get one right and one left. this will allow you to adjust the length of the link without removing one of the ends.
     
  24. Fordors
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    The clevis on the Jag rear end pictured looks to be 5/8 - 18 thread with a 1/2" cross hole. Get some 7/8 OD x .156 wall DOM tube and the ID will be sized for the 5/8 tap.
    Your link shows a general page. Are you considering p/n 4749T191 clevises?
     
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  25. mcmopar
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    That is the one I plan on ordering, with the 1/2 hole. I would like to order everything from one place, but I cant find any thick walled DOM tubing at McMaster carr.
    I do plan on only using them on one end, like in the pics.
    Tony
     
  26. Go to you local metal supplier for DOM.
     
  27. Fordors
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    I called out the .156 wall stuff because it is readily tapped. For the job it has to do I wonder if 3/4 OD x .083 wall would be OK, that will take the 5/8-18 thd. too. The center section will already be rigidly mounted and the struts are just locators. Anybody have an opinion?
     
  28. If this is a 1 time 1 piece deal and you'll not need to do it again you can order a tube threaded from almost any ch***is shop and you just put it together. It will be cheaper.
     
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  29. My concern would be the remaining wall thickness in the threads. The tube itself would be fine.

    My question is if the bar is just for locating and will be stationary why would in need the adjustability of threads any way, they present certain h***les and expense if not set up for that. If a forged clevis end is needed, turn the threads off the clevis and weld it into the 3/4x.083 tube or any tube. That might be easier.
     
  30. mcmopar
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    I would like the bars adjustable, I just wasn't sure if I needed a left and right thread. I will be looking for some DOM tubing from my local shop. I only know of one race car ch***is shop, been there twice and frustrated twice with the service. That's the main reason for ordering it. I would love to know of another one in my area. It would be nice to be able call someone up and pick there brain, until then, ill ask here.
    Thanks Tony
     

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