I know not everyone is happy with vintage speed as a company, but, has anyone used their tri power fuel injection setup, or seen any tests on it? Carlg
all I can say is every carb I have seen outta there was pretty JUNK. I can only imagine the injection stuff would be the same.
Try and remember that this is not a real time forum or chat room... Most guys are busy workin to pay for their hot rods, or out playing with them... It might take a while to get a reply, and even longer to get a reply about something specific.. Be patient..... Jeff
WHY? If you want to run 3 carbs for "the look" then run 3 ****ing CARBS! If you want EFI for reliability, then run EFI, WTF is it with people always trying to put fake **** on thier cars ? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh **** it
That's kinda like the guy's running a sbc and hiding it under Olds valve covers. Get some balls and put in a real Olds engine.
Tudor, is running a tri-power from them and I believe it has been good for him. I would not trust the shop unless the parts were sitting on the shelf and ready to ship.
Well I'm gonna jump in for a moment but don't want to hijack this topic. Responding to Lukejive...the very essense of hotrodding is modification and innovation in both appearance and performance. If there was a way to run injection and keep a truely traditional look to the car, well that's a get up that fits the "letter of the law" in hotrodding. Maybe to some it's only traditional if it's been half ***ed together, ****s fuel like there's never enough, blows smoke everywhere including inside, has black primer and red wheels, oh, least we forget, some ****in lame *** fuzzy dice. Maybe a lot of rusty lookin worn out suspension too. No windows. No upholstery. Man I love tradition. I made much of my living surrounded by automotive history. I grew up around hot rods and cl***ics, drove musclecars as daily drivers, graduated HS in a 38 Dodge PU with a 429 Caddy motor in it. Suffice to say I've been around the block a time or two and one thing will always shine when it comes to racing, rodding, and yes even in restoration, and that's a spirit of innovation and upgrade. While I dread the "me too" that can often plague what we all love, I can't genuinely lay smack to companies that try to give us the look we like with efficient operation to go with it. Given a choice, I'd really like a nice smooth and reliable 25+mpg tudor hiboy. Can I get that with a tri power? Well I'm not here to say I can't, but I damn sure would like it to run like the ol lady's late model T/A instead of my last musclecar. ****, maybe I should come up with a system that even the most diehard traditionalist would trade his quick change just to get one.
I'm with you! Hotrods have always been about innovation and trying things that others haven't . . . or maybe making something run that others couldn't. I love the early traditional styles (probably why I'm addicted to those fricking flatheads!) -- but at the same time, I try to work outside the box and use new ideas, new technology where possible, etc.. The cool think is that I have a choice --- if I want to run Strombergs . . I run them (setting up 6 of them for a blown motor as I write this), if I want to try mechanical fuel injection - I'll try it . . . if I want to experiment with EFI and and a fuel/ignition management system, then I'll give that hell. I'm not much for buying complete systems "off the shelf" -- but I don't fault the guy who takes that approach. The more people involved in hotrods, the more products they buy . . . the more products people produce. In the end, that helps all of us --- more product choices at different price ranges. I must say, I've always wanted to build a "test flathead" with a full EFI system that I can screw with to figure out how all this works, work on the fuel curves, test injector sizes, try some different cam combinations on, etc.. I only wish I had a damn engine dyno to really explore this stuff. Time to jump off my damn soapbox and ponder XMas . . . Run what you like . . . just make it run well . . .
If that's the one that uses Megasquirt control, the Megasquirt is well liked. The rest is just injectors so I'd say it should be fine.
i think he is talking about the injection that looks like injection its just made to use with a 3 deuce manifold
Hot rods have NEVER been about fake outs. Fake blowers, fake injection, fake finned buick drums, fake-out valve covers, etc... Are all cop outs. If you want to drive a hot rod, build a HOT ROD. If you want to drive something that "looks" like a hot rod, but drives like a modern car then go read street rodder or buy a PT cruiser. The HAMB is based on traditional hot rods and kustoms and those that have a p***ion for working on them. We will never cater to folks on the fake. Man... I hope not from experience...
The Vintage Speed injection design was ah,....."borrowed"....from boat racer Jim Lambert from Mountain Air, New Mexico. I'd reccomend going to the source if that's what you are looking for. Jim drives the hell out of his Chevy Coupe with that set-up. I don't have his email on this computer but pm me if you are interested and I can give you his phone number. Great guy and it'll save you money too. ....and for the record I only run carbs, but if I had the budget I'd be all over Hilborn Injection stacks upgraded to efi Marcy
Not sure the Vintage Speed injection is trying to p*** itself off as anything other than EFI. Moon's 97-injection (which I couldn't find with a quick search of their site) tries to p*** itself off as Stromberg look-a-like (if I remember correctly). I think the only thing Vintage Speed is trying to do is say it bolts up where a Stromberg will... ...I'm not sure that's the same thing as Olds valve covers on a SBC or a Hillborn stack aircleaner or flathead valve covers for a SBC... ...then again, maybe they think we really are stupid enough to believe those are Strombergs But then I don't think updating (read: hot rodding) a Hilborn mechanical system to EFI is "faking" anything - I think that's getting the best of both worlds. If traditional hot rodding means there is a cutoff year for technology, maybe we don't quite get the spirit of hot rodding...increasing performance with what's at hand. Faking, to me, is doing something for looks alone (ie - Olds valve covers on a SBC). If you can increase performance AND get the look you're after (EFIing an old mechanical FI setup) - more power to ya! ...haven't we been through this before?
here is the injection in question- certainly not trying to be anything it isn't. Personally, I like it.
Gotta ask.........what's the difference in putting Olds valve covers on a Chevy as opposed to covering your body with brightly colored tatoos. Both are fake, as black or blue tats with occationally a spot of some dull color was it. I guess i made a mistsake in thinking that hot rodding is about doing what you want with what you want as long as it's safe. I guess if a few feel the need to dictate to the m***es then it's time for that few to move to a third world country and control the m***es with your own beliefs. If I'm not mistaken the term is dictatorship. Now, start slingin ' your faux ideas at me that you have only heard about from other people. Narrow minded thinking creates a staggnent society. So, if you want your carbs to look like injectors or your injectors to look like carbs, then buy God do it.
Are you on ****ing crack? First off NO real tatoo is fake, only fake tatoos are fake. Olds Rocket covers on a sbc screams OLD SCHOOL RODZ ***. Obviously building cars is NOT about what you can or can't do according to others; it is about using original parts and building stuff that's TASTY, from parts that aren't so easy to find. Do what you want, run a fake 6-71 housing on your 'gl*** 29 roadster, but DO NOT expect people who are trying to save to buy an early Olds adapter bellhousing to dig it. If you think that is snotty...GOOD. It separates me from OSR WCC OCC iron cross fat'tire fibergl*** toothless illiterate inbred HICKS building GAY SCHOOL **** RODZZ out of 86 Ford Ranger ch***is.
Eh, at least it tries to look like some kind of injection, rather than carbs. Looks like Ryan covered everything else I had to say.
One or two of you lack it. Shameful man. Mechanical art isn't always an objective thing... Sometimes stuff is just wrong. A perfect example is the Moon EFI setup... ****ing rude. That said, the injection system pictured is pretty rad. Doesn't look to be faking anything to me, but not sure I would ever run it...
Thanks everyone, Didn't think I was trying to fake anything. Didn't mean to upset anyone. Will check into Jim Lambert. Thanks again Carlg
i believe that coles 36 has an injected 5.0 with an aod and i don`t hear you guys criticizing that car. if fact after reading coles post about that gorgeous 36 and the comments you all have made about it ,you would be led to believe that the only thing non-traditional about the car would be where the guitar goes . gary
I wouldn't give those EFI conversions to the hilborn injectors a p***ing grade. Despite the nice cast manifold and stacks, the individual EFI squirters give the thing away from 50 ft back. Maybe some people are ok with that, but I wouldn't put it on my car. BTW, although the '36 Cole is building is top notch, he's doing it for a customer who's probably not concerned with keeping things traditional, like some of us are. I certainly wouldn't build the car that way if it were mine, and I bet if it were Cole's car, he'd do some stuff different too.
Cole's 36. There is a difference... That car isn't trying to hide anything. It's functional. There is solid reasoning behind that decision and a goal was met. Is it traditional? No, but it's not trying to be either. "One or two of you lack it. Shameful man." I was referring to the practice of running fake blowers, fake finned Buick drums over discs, fake EFI, etc... In my opinion, "faking" anything with a lack of regard for functionality over form is an example of bad taste - the essence of which goes directly against the foundation of hot rodding that was built in the 30s and 40s. What's the purpose of the moon stromberg injection setup? I'm ***uming the idea is for folks to be able to have the reliability of EFI and the looks of Strombergs. I don't question the performance characteristics of EFI. Hillborn proved early on that fuel injection is a more efficient way to produce power consistently... But, the EFI in question attempts to do this while posing as stromberg carbs... In my opinion, any car guy with the p***ion most of us have for this stuff instantaneously recognizes that the moon setup most certainly IS NOT what it wants to be - a quartet of Stromberg 97s. So, what's the point? If you want to run EFI, run the best god damned EFI available so that your car runs hard and starts everytime. There is a respectable need and a respectable means when doing that... But don't try to fit in with the guys that have a p***ion for the real thing by faking it, cuz you simply aren't... In a way, it's almost insulting...
This is why Ryan is a RULER. He sees clearly through the posers and wannabees. His car is his without even trying. It drips the p***ion he so eloquently speaks of and obviously lives for.
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