History We ALL Love a DARE! PIX of TRULY Extinct Makes?

Here's an interesting Packard that was at Pebble Beach this year. The history of this car sure would be interesting.

 

How about a Pierce Arrow Woodie. Also at Pebble Beach this year. Check out some of the other unique stuff that was there.

http://www.hotrodhotline.com/feature/2010show/pebblebeachfred/

 

AJ, this sort of amazes me. Is there a simple explanation for those gizmos on the headlamps? Kind of looks like black-out devices so enemy bombers can't zero in on a populated area (?). Then there seems to be a fixed spot that could be flicked on when needed.

 

Hells bells! I'm starting to wonder who DIDN'T do the woody
thing in the late '30s up to 1950????? I knew Pierce made
tow-behind campers as a sort of side line in the mid to later
'30s, but this? WOW! Thanks for the informative post, Jim!!!

 

The body is certainly of European origin and it being a 1938 or 39, I would bet those are Wartime "Black Out" light covers. These were common during World War II, they made headlight beams impossible to see from the air so as not to give away possible targets or points of reference to enemy aircraft. The body looks French to me and those could have been with the car or still on it when it was found....may have been hiding since the war? (put into storage when the war broke out or during?)

 

The guy that owns the Stutz also races them. They have built up a DV32 engine that puts out over 300 hp reliably for racing. Here is that link to my ride in the Duesenberg.

 

This was posted on the AACA Forum on 11-06-08 in regards to this Packard;

Only very recently acquired by a European collector who wants to stay anonymous:

1938 Packard cabriolet by the Swiss coachbuilder Graber. This was a barn find 20 years ago, but it took the buyer the best part of two decades to convince the owner to sell. The car has not been on the road since the 1950s. Chassis # 1601-2039 , Engine # A311-499A.

 

One of my favorites. Although I don't know why they put the WWII headlight thingys on there. PrewarCar.com did an article on it a while back. It's a 1938 Packard with body by the Swiss coachbuilder Graber.

 

I have to say, this thread has made me a big FAN of custom coachbuilt bodywork! You can really see the designers touch and executors' skills. I may make enemies, but I think this Swiss-bodied Packard looks just as fine as any Mercedes AND better than Dutch Darrin's admittedly admirable efforts.

 

I totally agree Jimi. I love this car and I'm not even a Packard guy. Wish we could put the Black and White pic on the pre war thread.

 

Found another 1915 SAXON on Craigs just now
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/cto/1921269675.html
Very cool looking car.
I couldn't figure out how to import the pictures here.

 

I agree. Spend some time over at www.coachbuild.com you will like it I'm sure.

Btw, if we are going to go European I can post for days. Here is a 1928 Hispano-Suiza H6C Convertible Sedan with custom coachwork by Hibbard & Darrin that was just bought by a friend. The engine is over 400 cubes and the crank is carved out of a 300 lb billet of steel.

 

A.J., you are certainly right about www.coachbuild.com !!! With nearly 150 pages at six posts per page and with most having at least one extended link for more info and fab photos, that site is a car-lover's TREASURE HOUSE!!

 

And AJ added: " . . . Btw, if we are going to go European I can post for days."
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Jimi: A.J., interesting proposition. Actually, we haven't actively encouraged it, BUT neither have we DIScouraged European makes. Recently, e.g., we chatted Barrie-Bell, a Canadian-built make with direct U.S. ties. And over the course of less than a year, we've touched now and then on everything from Rugby, and Rolls, to Bugatti, Mercedes, Minerva, et.al.

In fact, the thread has metamorphosed -- for the better, judging from participation -- beyond the narrow premise stated on Page 1. We're headed toward 200 pages and 4,000 posts. Though we have never tried to make this single thread any "auto encyclopedia" (and it certainly doesn't supplant, in any sense, great, longtime early-car groups or resources), it does seem that it has the capability to be not only entertaining, but also a resource, just by using the thread SEARCH function that SunRoof reminds us all of now and then. LOTS of people have packed TONS of information here, for which I THANK all participants!

But this looser chat forum format also makes this thread a bit different, as well. Very interactive, relaxed, if you will! Newbies and sages, ALL welcome!!!

Yes, we have nailed down quite a few extinct makes (or models), but we gradually (naturally?) grew to include one-offs and surviving refugees of extremely low numbers (due to various factors), as well as prototypes, mules and, sometimes, mere sketches of "never-WUZ" cars. One thing that's made this thread work, IMO, is that people have FUN, but they keep to HAMB guidelines and (almost always) show RELEVANCE to American autos and/or high performance.

Now, it's no secret that American and European auto designers and engineers have ALWAYS watched each other's progress and products. Fair enough? So, for my part, I'd be for posting European cars, as long as folks (1) keep to HAMB guidelines, and (2) demonstrate, insofar as possible, relevance of any posted car to the American automotive experience, directly or indirectly.

SO ... what do YOU think, fellow HAMBers??? Open the thread for inclusion of extinct and very rare but significant European cars?

 

I don't normally post pix from junkyards here, but this one
caught my attention. At first, I though it was two ultra-rare
Dixie Flyers. But on comparison, it couldn't be (louvers on
hood, e.g.). So what do we have? Is it one of the Knight
models? About 1920-22???



Dog429 posted this over on the KEEN thread, "Sitting and
Rotting." Good thread; go check it out!

 

1938 Lincoln Model K Convertible Victoria by Brunn

To be offered at auction, Sunday, September 5, 2010

http://www.rmauctions.com/FeatureCar...10&CarID=r105#

Lincoln aficionados know this V12-powered Model K as the “Weiss Convertible”, with Convertible Victoria bodywork by Brunn & Co. This example, Chassis 9002, was completely restored in 1996 and it continues to benefit from attentive care and maintenance under several noted collectors. Before its prior sale in August 2008, it performed flawlessly on a 1,000-mile CCCA CARavan and in addition, it appeared at Pebble Beach in 2003 and earned First in Class at the Rocky Mountain Concours d’Elegance in 2007.

 

More;

This 1938 Lincoln Model K Convertible Victoria with coachwork by Brunn is a concours-winning example with its original coachwork. This was the third example built for the 1938 model year. It was shipped by boat to Buffalo on October 11 of 1937. It was delivered to the workshop a month later. It has been in the collection of several prominent east coast collections until the late 1970s, when it was acquired by Ernest Stern of Pittsburgh. While in his care, the car was treated to a complete restoration. It would remain in his care until his death in 1996. It was then sold to Don Williams of the Blackhawk Collection, who would later sell it to Chicago Collector Joe Hayes in 1998. The current owner, an individual from Colorado, purchased the car in 2000.

The car is finished in Cambridge Blue and has been well maintained over the years. It was shown at Pebble Beach in 2003 and earned a First in Class at the 2007 Rocky Mountain Concours d'Elegance at the Broadmoor in Colorado Springs.

In 2008, this Convertible Victoria was offered for sale at the 'Sports & Classics of Monterey' presented by RM Auctions. It was estimated to sell for $350,000 - $450,000 and carried a reserve. A high bid of 192,500 including buyer's premium was enough to satisfy the vehicles reserve. The lot was sold.

More Pics;

 

Here they are;

 

1919 American La France La Bestioni "Rolling Thunder" Speedster

 

Folks, RE Post 3767 through 3769, do we have a consensus?

 

I will second the notion, seems to be fair amendment of the guild lines. As much as the European and American auto industries competed against one another in the early and golden days of automobiles, it was still a symbiotic relationship and both industries reflect each others styles and artistic touches. You really can talk about either industry without mentioning the other.

 

Okay Then- From RM Auctions:



1907 Alldays & Onions 30 HP Roadster

20hp, 3.3-litre four-cylinder engine, water-cooled, gravity fed carburetor, four-speed transmission, rear wheel mechanical brakes, hand-crank start, non-original rear axle.Wheelbase: 117"

The Alldays & Onions Pneumatic Engineering Company, Ltd. in Birmingham, England began the production of vehicles in 1898, but the firm’s roots dated back to 1625 when Onions began building bellows. By 1770 Onions had a virtual monopoly building bellows and expanded their Birmingham premises to build forges.

A competitor in the form of William Allday and Co. appeared in 1780 and these two firms merged in 1885 to form Alldays & Onions. The company by this time was producing everything from forges and water turbines to tricycles. In 1898 automobile production began and continued over the next 20 years. Alldays & Onions’ first vehicle was a quadricycle, which led to more substantial vehicles.

It is believed Henry Royce, Lord Montagu and Alldays & Onions worked together on several
projects that came to fruition in the 1906 16hp fourcylinder model, and subsequent more powerful models such as this exquisite 1907 20hp roadster.

Rarely seen outside of Britain, this exceptional Alldays & Onions was reputedly exported to New Zealand following World War I by Randall Topless who is credited with inventing the beer pump handle for serving draft ales and lagers in British pubs. Apparently the unpaved roads played constant havoc with the daily use of this Alldays & Onions Roadster, which eventually led to it being dismantled. The parts were auctioned, while the chassis was utilized as a farm trailer.

This veteran Alldays & Onions was eventually rescued by an enthusiast in the mid 1960s who traveled throughout New Zealand tracking down the components. The headlamps and
other components were found in a barn, while other bits and pieces were located hundreds of miles away. The once buried on a chicken farm, four-cylinder engine was completely
restored and detailed. This 20hp 3.3 liter four-cylinder engine is fitted with dual spark plugs; one bank of plugs is operated by coils powered by a small battery, while the others work off the magneto. The engine is started using the coils, but once the engine has started the driver operates a switch to change to running on the magneto.

The four-speed transmission is very similar to the units later used on Rolls-Royces. The original lubrication system has been retained and consists of an oil bath sump and a hand
operated pump which forces oil into the crankshaft from a half-gallon reservoir. The system has been previously upgraded, now being supplemented by a period engine driven oil pump.

The thorough, pain-staking restoration took three years, but in 1972 the Alldays & Onions Roadster had been completely rebuilt to the highest level and as close to original factory
specifications as possible. Not everything could be located, and as a result, 19 inch wheels have been substituted for the once standard 22 inch rims. The rear axle had been destroyed and a suitable substitution was made.

In 1972 the 1907 Alldays & Onions took part in the New Zealand Veteran and Vintage Car Rally and received the Best of Show Award. At the rally an American enthusiast traded his
new Mustang for the veteran Roadster and had it shipped home in 1973 to Virginia. The Alldays & Onions eventually arrived in Florida where it has been meticulously maintained
over the past 19 years.

For those looking for the charm and thrill of a truly veteran automobile – look no further. With all its brass, copper, polished wood, acetylene headlamps, kerosene operated side
and rear lights, large vintage trunk and painted in a surprisingly period turquoise color, this unique veteran Roadster will be the delight of all shows and tours. The current owner also has lengthy taped discussions with the original restorer, which will stay with the Alldays & Onions.

 

MrModelT said: "As much as the European and American auto industries competed against one another in the early and golden days of automobiles, it was still a symbiotic relationship and both industries reflect each others styles and artistic touches."

Jimi: Succinctly stateed, T! Well, gang, looks as though we opened some new territory for exploration. Should be fun and informative!!!

 

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- From the Collection of Clyde Ensor, Sr.
- Rare and unusual marque
- Potential entry to various Horseless Carriage Club of America events

J.H. Neustadt, along with A.L. Dyke, were among the earliest manufacturers of automobile parts and accessories in America. In the February 11, 1905 issue of Automobile Review, Neustadt was described as &#8220;one of the very few, if not the only one in the United States, of whom anyone desiring special vehicles can get every requisite part from the screws in the body to the leather trimmings, or the gasoline to propel the motor.&#8221;

Initially, the business was a partnership, Neustadt-Perry, though it appears that Neustadt bought out Perry in 1904 to become the Neustadt Automobile & Supply Company. Located in St. Louis, Missouri, the firm offered a myriad of styles while putting together components for the making of cars. Kits were available for steam cars from 1901 to 1903 and for gasoline cars through at least 1908. The company used catchy names like Bluff Climber, Genevieve, Traveler, Berkeley, and Princess; Neustadt even used his own initials, J.H.N., for one kit.

After Neustadt ceased building kits for passenger cars, commercial vehicles continued to be available. In 1911, the company began production of a truck which was built through 1914, including three special four-wheel drive vehicles in 1915. After WWI, Neustadt retired to California and became a car dealer.

Little is known about this rare and unusual car. It sports a four-passenger surrey body similar to one noted as No. 2 in a vintage Neustadt-Perry catalog, of which copies are included in the car&#8217;s file. It is powered by a single-cylinder Oldsmobile engine stamped 1901 and bearing the patent #1704 on its cylinder head. The front of the clutch is stamped Champion Manufacturing Company, Patented March 4, 1902, while the carburetor is stamped Universal and the spring hangers bear the markings of Neustadt-Perry. The vehicle is chain driven. The owner&#8217;s files, with catalog renderings and limited specifications as well as correspondence between Mr. Ensor and various vendors, are available for inspection. Given its relatively common and easy-to-work-on Oldsmobile powerplant, this could provide for a restoration project of a highly unusual and rare vehicle likely not duplicated on any show-field of early cars where it might appear.</td></tr></tbody></table>

 

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</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> AUBURN — For the second year in a row, the rarest Duesenbergs at the Auburn Cord Duesenberg Festival will be under a tent in Eckhart Park.

The cars don’t bear the name of Duesenberg, but the genius of brothers Fred and Augie Duesenberg is evident under their hoods.

“Many people falsely assume the Model A was the first Duesenberg” in the early 1920s, said Dr. John Baeke of Kansas, who has arranged the exhibitions of Duesenberg-influenced early cars. Baeke belongs to the Auburn Cord Duesenberg Club, which is co-sponsoring the exhibit with Interstate Batteries.

Last year, the Eckhart Park tent featured Mason and Maytag automobiles, the first cars to use Duesenberg engines between 1906 and 1912.

This year’s show focuses on the next 10 years in Duesenberg history, before the brothers began putting their own name on passenger cars.

In the early 1910s, the Duesenbergs developed “walking-beam” engines, named for the action of their extremely long, 14-inch rocker arms.

“They absolutely controlled racing on the American speedways” in late 1910s, Baeke said. “They wanted to start supplying these engines for passenger-car use.”

Eventually, about 20 different automobile companies offered Duesenberg walking-beam engines as optional upgrades. They added $1,000 to $1,500 to the price, a boost of about 50 percent, Baeke said.

“The greatest number of Duesenberg engines ever produced did not appear in Duesenberg motorcars,” Baeke said. Instead, they were supplied for RoameR cars built in Kalamazoo, Mich.

The capital R at the end of the RoameR name is not a typographical error.

“They blatantly stole the looks of a Rolls-Royce” and used two capital R’s in case anyone missed the resemblance, Baeke said. The Eckhart Park exhibit will include three RoameRs.

Also coming for the show are two 1922 ReVeres built in Logansport with Rochester-Duesenberg engines.

By 1919, the Duesenberg brothers saw that their walking-beam engines were losing their advantage on race tracks. They switched to overhead-cam, straight-eight-cylinder racing engines. The brothers sold the rights to their walking-beam design to Rochester Motor Co. of Rochester, N.Y. It continued supplying Rochester-Duesenberg engines to car manufacturers through 1927.

The oldest car in the weekend exhibit will be the “Jimmy Jr.” Kline Kar racer. Built in 1910, it was modified later with a walking-beam engine and was “fabulously success on the board tracks,” Baeke said.

The Exposition of Rochester-Duesenberg-Powered Motorcars takes place Saturday from 7 a.m. to 1 p.m. in Eckhart Park.
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Gary Vick's Original 1910 Auburn

 

From what I have read online and from what others have told me , Chevy made six of these to compete with the Dodge model in 1953 untill they had to stop production because of the Korean war effort . This would explain why the whole thing was gray [ even the chrome over sprayed gray ]

I can not find the other five .. all comments please ... I want to factual

 

1954 Chevrolet Corvette. This car has been sitting in a barn since the last 30 years. It has been in the same family for 40 years waiting to be restored.

http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/?op=display_ad&id=1126859&refer=news

 

Blackout 1942 Chevy Coupe



After the raid on Pearl Harbor, the U.S. entered World War II on December 8, 1941. Automakers were ordered to curtail the use of brightwork (chrome and stainless trim) within one month, and to cease production of passenger cars altogether within two. That first mandate led to a rare and interesting run of cars… the blackout specials.

We spotted this interesting piece of American automotive history during a recent trip to the LeMay Museum. Mike Ellis, our knowledgeable tour guide, pointed out what made the 1942 “blackout” Chevy different from the nearly identical (but much shinier) 1941 model sitting next to it.

In January of 1941, the government mandated that no new automobiles could be delivered with exposed stainless or chrome trim (with the exception of bumpers, bumper hardware, and windshield wipers). The order was meant to keep the playing field level, so that no manufacturer could gain a competitive advantage while the use of raw materials was limited. Chevrolet’s response was to paint the trim on 1942 models produced in January.

Sitting next to a 1941 model the 1942 “blackout” doesn’t have the same glimmer as the chromed car, but some argue that it lended a much more modern look.

And you kids thought you were the first ones to paint your chrome trim black…

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1942 Plymouth

Built right before automobile production was canceled to assist the war effort, this type of auto is commonly known as a "blackout car". As copper, chromium and all other alloys and metals were vital for war production, using them to decorate an automobile was not permitted. Consequently, these autos had painted bumpers and moldings made of mild steel alloy. In addition, it was thought that they would be less reflective at night during potential air raids. This auto has been featured in magazines and is a fine example of this extremely rare period in USA automobile production.