History We ALL Love a DARE! PIX of TRULY Extinct Makes?

You know, the L29 chassis did lend itself WELL to the coachbuilt art, eh? Never saw this before; one of the THE lovliest treatments I have ever seen, really. (And a well-deserved blue ribbon on it, too!)



Where IS this one-of-a-kind? Maybe I missed that above.

 

Actually, you have seen it before. Check out page 67 of this thread for more information and pictures of this car. Looks like it was sold at Auction in 2007. Don't know who owns it now. Will have to research that.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4712722&highlight=l29#post4712722

 

Wow, great picture, and great find.
I haven't been doing all that much research lately, been real busy.
And almost every day get caught up just keeping up with everyone else posts on these threads!

 

Another great find, amazing!
This and the Browniekar ad just blow me away!
Have not found this in any of my research.........thanks!

 

... and Franklin or Danbury Mint made a 1/16 model of it some years back

 

Yo, Mac! How's it goin', man? Did you mean the Playboy, Centaur or the L-29 Cord Hayes coupe? I got lost (happens sometimes! LOL)

 

Another view of the unique Hayes coupe, THANKS to an info-packed
Site by Coachbuilt. Fantastic, fact-filled article on Hector Jay Hayes
and various companies that were in his stable at one time or another!
Please see it! www.coachbuilt.com/bui/h/hayes/hayes.htm

 

SWI, I figured you were just busy with work, family, etc., as I know how rabid you are (like the rest of us) for the oldies. Yeah, kicking around the short-lived (BUT NOT EXTINCT!) Playboy is surely fun. LOTS of auto history packed in that!

And finding that the first Centaur was an electric (!) was something. (And, yeah, probably EXTINCT! And thanks again to Royal Feltner!)

 

"au Concours d'Elégance de Monte-Carlo en 1930"

http://mini.43.free.fr/cord.html

 

and..

 

My dad has a 1930 Erskin, Studebaker. In 1930 Studebaker bought out Erskin and thats the only year that both names were used on the cars. Oh lets not forget about Maxwell's and Elgin's

 

BrowniekaR and Centaur "puzzle" are both interesting topics.

While trying to find out "if I could find out", I found this photo in Early American Automobile site.

If anyone else hasn't seen it before, check out who's in the car..

"Joseph "Buster", Driver, and Harry "Jingles" Keaton in their 1909 Browniekar"

From: http://www.earlyamericanautomobiles.com/autos11.htm​

 

From the New York Times - 13 December 1908:


The abstract is about rail fares,
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40E1EFC3A5A17738DDDAA0994DA415B888CF1D3

but, the .pdf contains the story of free rides for kids on the Browniekars at the Toyland and Doll Bazaar in Maddison Square Garden:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F40E1EFC3A5A17738DDDAA0994DA415B888CF1D3

PS Is anyone able to access the Newspaper articles and/or .pdf articles. No-one has said, so I am unsure if the links are working.

 

Rotabuggy (Flying Jeep) - extinct (?)

Based on a Jeep with added extras;



Read about it on the link:
http://www.willys-mb.ru/article8_e.html


A failed prototype:



http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/hafner_rotabuggy.php



http://www.aviastar.org/foto/hafner_rotabuggy.gif

 

Very well-known auto historian and journalist Kit Foster has a WONDERFULLY well-written and TIGHT article about the 1939 one-year-only, so-called Hayes coupes, executed by Hayes for Chryselr Corp's Chrysler, DeSoto and Dodge lines. Only 1,000 of the "haute couture" MoPar "Town Coupe" bodies were produced under the contract. Fairly reliable numbers are: 134, Chrysler; 264, DeSoto; and 602, Dodge.

Following upon the near-disastrous (though excellent) AirFlows, the Hayes bodies were an eye-popping styling exercise, quite distinct from the "work-strike" Briggs bodywork of regular MoPar production models. It's a gotta-see article by Kit! (See it at: Kit Foster - 1939 DeSoto "Hayes" Coupe; Welcome to the Club – Autoweek, July 08, 2002.)

I personally don't think Chrysler had serious plans for cintinuing the limited-edition Hayes cars. Though the term "halo car" hadn't been coined yet, I think this was essential what they were-- attention-getters.




This Hayes MoPar THANKS to Coachbuilt! Until the Great
Depression came along, Hayes, Fisher and Briggs were THE
players for work-strike (and some custom) auto bodies.

 

Here is the Chrysler version, THANKS to Coachbuilt !!!

 

Hayes also fashioned the bodies for the well-known Hupp
Skylark and Graham Hollywood, based on the Cord 810/812
dies. Coachbuilt.com has a fantastic, fact-filled write-up
on Horace Jay Hayes and his numerous entrepreneurial
endeavors. I think even long-time car guys and gals will
find surprising info tid-bits there.

 

With bodywork by Hayes, here is a spectacular '39 Chrysler woody!
It sported a big 323-CID straight eight. And, as MoPar regulars know,
'39 was the first year headlights were recessed into the fenders, in-
stead of in pods of the past. (It was indeed a transitional year at
Chrysler Corp. Over at Plymouth, they built the very LAST U.S. rumble-
seat coupes and roadsters, as well as introducing the FIRST power
convertible top!)



This wonderful photo is THANKS to ImperialClub.org
(or search 1939 Imperial Spotter's Guide).

 

Hayes made the all-steel bodies for the '33-'34 Continental-DeVaux, too.

 

Right on, Barry. Coachbuilt specifically addresses this, though I imagine you're aware of every detail on both makes. Still a great article.

 

<center>[SIZE=+1]HOTCHKISS (France) 1903-1954[/SIZE]

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Connecticut Yankee Benjamin Hotchkiss had established his arms factory at St-Denis, 6 km north of Paris, in the 1870s. It filled in the slack period of peace by making motor components, and produced its first car in 1903, though a factory fire nearly halted the project permanently.

This round-radiatored 17 cv four was followed in 1906 by a 7.4 litre six. A quality light car, the 2.2 litre 12/16hp, appeared in 1912, and the next year a five-car range of three fours (12/16, 16/20 and 20/30 hp) and two sixes (20/30 and 40/50 hp) was catalogued. Post-war, Hotchkiss essayed a super-luxury car, the 6.6 litre Type AK, with ohv operated by a miniature crankshaft, but only one was built. From 1923-28, the refined 2.2 litre Type AM was the company s sole offering, gaining pushrod ohv by 1926.

In 1928 came a new six, the AM 80, which was to be the basis for all subsequent Hotchkiss sixes, and which was offered until 1923 with Corque tube transmission instead of the traditional Hotchkiss drive by open propeller shaft. In 1933 came the sporting AM80S 3.5 litre, based on the car which had won the 1932 Monte Carlo Rally (an event which Hotchkiss also won in 1933, 1934,1939, 1949 and 1950).

The sporting Paris Nice of 1934 commemorated a sporting victory by Hotchkiss. A 1937 merger with Amilcar produced the Grégoire-designed Amilcar-Compound, which never saw serious production, and after the Armistice the pre-war 686 model was reintroduced, joined in 1949 by a new 13 cv four.

From 1952, the 2 litre fwd flat-four Hotchkiss-Grégoire was built in small numbers alongside the 3.5litre (which had acquired ifs in 1949).

There was a temporary merger with Peugeot, a permanent one with Delahaye, and in 1954 the company ceased producing cars in favour of commercial vehicles and license-built Jeeps.

Pictured;

1. Hotchkiss 615 Basque Coupe (1934)

2. 1950 Hotchkiss brochure.

3. 1953 Hotchkiss Antheor Cabriolet Grand Luxe catalog.

 

Hotchkiss-Gregoire

Gregoire was one of France’ best constructors who produced his own cars, but also worked for other factories. In 1951 co-operation with Hotchkiss resulted in the Hotchkiss Gregoire, quite a revolutionary car for its time.

It has a reasonably streamlined body, but underneath technology is out of the ordinary. The 2.2 litre boxer engine (a two litre was also available) is located before the front axle and of course the car has front wheel drive. Not only at the front but also at the rear wheels <nobr style="color: rgb(43, 101, 176); font-weight: normal; font-size: 100%; font-family: verdana,geneva,lucida,'lucida grande',arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" id="itxt_nobr_2_0"></nobr> are independently sprung and part of the chassis was built from aluminium. The 4 speed gearbox was fitted with an overdrive. Some cabriolets and coupes were also built.

With a power output of 60 or 70 BHP the car was not a vived performer, but the 155 kph top speed for the larger engine gives a good idea about the slippery shape of the body.

Unfortunately when production stopped in 1954 only 274 examples were made, and the Gregoire was the last Hotchkiss to be built.

Pictured;

Hotchkiss Grégoire 1953 Coach Chapron

 

The only Hotchkiss-Gregoire ever imported to the United States. Now in the Tampa Bay Automobile Museum in Tampa Florida.

 

Hayes Bodies 1929 Chrysler Dual Cowl Phaeton byPatrick Russell.

In 1929, Chrysler was trying to move upscale, to compete with Buick and Cadillac. The Model 75 was the vehicle intended for this purpose. To directly compete, Chrysler made a wide range of models, some of which were quite limited. The Sport Phaeton production was limited to just 238 cars; the body being produced at Hayes Body Corporation in Grand Rapid, Michigan. There are only 6 1929 Dual Cowl Phaetons known at this point. My Chrysler was produced on October 29, 1929; "Black Tuesday" and was originally sold in Belleville Illinois. It is a wonderful touring car, and is driven several hundred miles every year.

 

1932 Devaux believed to have a Hayes Body; See post #3012 page 151 of this thread.

 

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]1930 Marmon Big 8 (Hayes body) [/FONT]

 

1928 Graham-Paige Boattail Speedster

Graham-Paige decided to move upscale and had the Hayes-Hunt Body Co. (of Elizabeth, N.J. and Grand Rapids, Mich.) create the bodywork for this 1928 835 Boattail Special speedster. This one, owned by Roy Margenau of Grass Lake, Mich., has never been restored.

Courtesy of Larry Edsall / Special to The Detroit News September 3rd 2010

 

Jim, DYNAMITE cars there, bro!

Since we're on Chrysler at the moment, I've had a nagging matter for some time. Probably 20 years ago, I saw a '31 CADILLAC "Imperial Limousine" at a car show. When I got home, my dad argued that ONLY Chrysler called anything Imperial. He wouldn't listen when I said I thought it wasn't a MODEL per se, but a BODY STYLE (and a coachbuilt, to boot). I thought I was right and still do.

Am I right in thinking that the CADDY I saw was a VERY limited-run car for '31 ? Just asking your general impression -- not necessarily for a definitive fact.

 

A quick check of the Cadillac Database tells us that Cadillac definitly used the "Imperial Limousine" nomenclature and not just in 1931. It seems that most "Imperial Limousines" were possibly V-16s, so that would hold true to the limited production. There is no doubt that YOU are right and your Dad is wrong.

http://www.car-nection.com/yann/dbas_txt/Phocad31.htm

 

Re: Hayes bodied mopars

You guys missed out as one was for sale earlier in the year on the AACA board: http://forums.aaca.org/f119/1939-chrysler-hayes-bodied-club-coupe-276069.html