History We ALL Love a DARE! PIX of TRULY Extinct Makes?

1911 Elmore
Wrecked in 1916 and put in the barn until 2006

 

Wow, RoadKill, you surely came up with a survivor of one scarce make! Though the Elmore was built from 1900 through 1912, THAT was very early, so you just may have located the only one! Unless I'm mistaken, the Elmore (no automotive relation to Elcar) was the only auto to call Clyde, Ohio, home.

And in restorable ORIGINAL condition, too! Wow, what a window in time. Just imagine HOW EASILY this car could have wound up on the s**** heap or in the WWII s**** drives!!!


1911 Elmore

 

No affront intended to anybody, as I enjoy the energy level and participation on this thread. But, I'd hate to see this keen thread get shut down, folks. Let's a at least try to keep posted vehicles mid-'60s and back -- exception being if we can show "relevance" to the older makes/models. Any comment or opinion is welcome, should anyone disagree with my viewpoint.

 

I think someone may have the date
wrong in this photo cutline. The name
Terraplane didn't come along until '31
or '32, did it? I ran onto this elsewhere.




1928 Es*** Terraplane sedan

 

1916 Elco touring THANKS to American-Automobiles.com!

The Elco was made in 1915 and 1916 by the Bimel Automobile Co., Sidney, Ohio. Priced at the better part of a grand, Elco was a short-lived make, indeed! Though '15 and '16 models were made, the company was effectively only in active production about 12 months.

But, at least Elco got some cars out the door; Sidney's OTHER claim to automotive fame, the 1932 BreMac backed by designer Amos Northrup, one auto engineer, plus other Sidney investors, apparently never materialized after going through the whole design and planning process.

I'll challenge anyone to locate a surviving Elco, though at least an actual photo would be nice to supplement the artist's rendering above. Probably the MOST fun one can have on this thread! Find proof of a make/model's existence, OR, apparent EXTINCTION, right?

 

All these wagons have been a blast. I hope there are MORE to come!

 

Calm down a little there Jim, the car is not mine. It is part of a collection on display in Coralville Iowa (just outside Iowa City) in Eastern Iowa. one guy owns most of the collection and really likes the prewar cars. There are other cars on loan to the collection and on display also.

here is a list of the cars in year order that were there the other day when I visited. I have pictures but they are huge and poor. The museum is well worth the time to visit.

1899 Haynes Apperson touring
1903 Cadillac touring
1904 Ford Model A touring
1904 Ford Model F touring
1906 Oldsmobile model B runabout
1907 Economy runabout
1908 Ford Model S
1908 Cadillac Roadster Pickup (touring conversion)
1909 Reo touring
1909 International Harvester high wheeler
1910 Ford T touring
1910 Brush runabout
1911 Brush runabout
1911 Maxwell roadster
1911 Elmore touring in barn 1916-2006
1911 Cole “30” touring
1911 Cadillac touring
1912 White touring
1912 Sears runabout
1912 International Harvester Depot hack
1913 Ford T touring
1913 Rambler touring
1913 Ford model T roadster
1914 Ford Model T turtle back roadster
1916 Chevrolet touring
1916 Haynes touring
1917 Monroe Roadster
1919 Cadillac sedan
1920 Star touring
1922 Ford T touring
1922 REO speedwagon
1922 Chevy sedan
1923 Nash sport touring
1923 Detroit electric center door sedan
1924 Hupmobile touring
1924 Jordan sedan
1925 Chalmers touring
1926 Ford T coupe
1927 Studebaker Sedan
1927 Ford A roadster pick up
1928 Ford A coupe
1928 Ford A roadster
1928 Whippet touring
1929 Ford A roadster
1929 Ford A phaeton
1929 Ford A tudor
1929 Ford A cabriolet
1929 Ford A 4- door sedan
1930 Buick coupe (collection owners first car)
1930 Chevy coupe
1930 Plymouth sedan
1931 Duesenberg J229 convertible sedan
1931 Auburn cabriolet
1931 Ford A roadster
1932 Overland truck
1933 Dodge roadster
1934 Ford roadster pickup
1934 Ford cabriolet
1936 Desoto Airflow sedan
1937 Hudson Terraplane 2-door sedan
1937 Pontiac convertible
1937 Oldsmobile Opera coupe
1937 Lincoln Zephyr V12 sedan
1938 Lincoln V12 limo
1939 Hudson coupe
1939 Packard 120 sedan
1939 Hanomag 2-door sedan (airflow styling) German
1940 Chevy sedan
1941 Buick Special convertible
1948 Mercury Convertible
1951 Ford woody wagon (11K miles)
1953 Plymouth Cranbrook convertible
1954 Kaiser Manhattan
1954 Hudson hornet
1956 Cadillac 4-door hardtop factory air
1957 Ford Thunderbird
1958 Ford retractable
1958 Edsel Citation 2-door wagon
1963? Lincoln continental 4-door convertible
1967 Pontiac GTO
1969 Corvair 2^nd to last built


Here is a shot of the 31 Auburn and the 33 Dodge
The museum website is here http://www.acmoi.com/

 

The museum has a lot of cars in as found condition not restored to original like most museums do. Some of the guys around here would love to get there hands on this barn fresh model A roadster I am sure. And if you want to see obscure the 1907 Economy should do it. I think I will start another thread about the museum?

 

Okey-dokey, RoadKill, I'm calm. No, I didn't think the car is in your garage. I just meant: WHAT a scarce make! Wow.

And the Iowa museum whose list you included sounds like a well-administered operation (we know not ALL of them are). Besides the Elmore, several marques stand out as especially rare makes, such as Economy, Monroe, the Overland truck, the 1899 Haynes Apperson, Brush (any Brush is fairly rare), likewise the Sears, the '25 Chalmers (about the end of that line!).

I'm gonna go check out that website you put us on to. Maybe a few pix of the above cars will be there.

 

Here's an extremly rare french car, or what's left of it: a Zedel C1 6 from 1923, Zedel cars were procuced from 1906 to 1923 first in Switzerland then France. The C1 6 was introduced in 1923, the year the company merged with Donnet and became Donnet-Zedel. So the C1 6 was built from 1923 to 1928 but only 1 year, maybe not even a full year under the name Zedel. Until now I've seen only 1 other Zedel C1 6.
This ch***is is what's left of the car and is going to be the base for 1 of my hot rods, I litteraly dug it out from the ground were the car sat for about 50 years, in the picture there is a 1928 Renault hood, 1932 Citroen C4 I beam, 1934 Renault steering box and a Simca 3.9L flathead

originally the car looked like this this is a 1924 Donnet Zedel C1 6:

 

Nice pic of one you don't see often, '21 Lexington Minuteman Six, thanks
to Surrey Vintage Vehicle Society! Actually started production in Louisville,
KY, but moved to Connersville, IN, a few years later. Pretty cl***y cars,
Lexingtons were NOT Model Ts, fer shur!​

 

This Elmore has survived the m***ive selloff of some of the automobiles in the Crawford-Auto Aviation Museum of the Westrn Reserve Historical Society to fund other societies interests. Let's hope it does not get sacrificed like so many before it.

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HJ, I'm glad you mentioned the Cleveland situation. It's relevant because museums are so important to the subject of this thread --- being one of the two main repositories for preservation of rare cars, trucks and aircraft.

One thing that has become imminently clear, to me, in our thread discussions is that policies of museums nationally follow no basic format, at all; they can vary drastically from one city to another. Concomitantly with that is the very important point that museums generally have a varied funding base, rather than a single source such as public funding. So, IMO, the museum policies (which drive administration and decision-making) can be pretty murky and hard for the public to grasp or appreciate. Seems pretty hard to agree or disagree with an action when one cannot fathom the process and goals, if you see my point. The general public must take it all on faith. So, as regards the Crawford collection, my view is that the public is in a quandary, preventing any meaningful action, and former volunteers are in an ongoing tizzy -- quite apparently fearing that most of the horses will be gone before the barn door gets closed.

To put it another way, museums can be pretty insular ins***utions. Though I'm not a Clevelander, I've checked now and then on events, following the deaths of the Crawford couple who had years ago entrusted the antique auto collection of their lifetime to the Western Reserve Historical Society. For the info of those living in other states especially, the Crawford Auto & Aviation collection has been in a rather steady sell-off phase, presumably on the grounds of reaching a more sustainable collection size. (Note: This is how I ****yze what I have seen.) To that end, I'm not at all sure if the goal is to cut the original number of Crawford-donated cars/trucks/planes in HALF, or WHAT? Where is the sell-off supposed to stop? But, indeed, scores of vehicles have already been sold off so far, and my impression is that money from sales has mostly gone into the general funds for overall Western Reserve collections and operation, rather than toward refinement of the auto, truck and airplane collection.

HJ, can you clarify: How MANY VEHICLES THERE WERE in the collection when Mr. Crawford's widow, Kay, p***ed away last year? And, what is the number REMAINING today?

 

Back to the same museum and a 1939 German built Hanomag that is parked next to a 1936 Desoto Airflow. The resemblance is undeniable! There are not many of the Hanomags left since a couple years later many of then were destroyed in WWII. except for the grille that would make a nice rod.

 

The date is off by FOUR YEARS. There was still a true Es*** (since 1919) automobile at the beginning of the 1932 model year. Mid-year Hudson Motor Car Co. introduced the new Es***-Terraplane car on a narrower tread frame as shown on that brochure cover. The "E-T" name was used again in '33 and the car went by the Terraplane name only starting 1934.

 

Thanks, StillOutThere. And the final Terraplane was '38 or '39, which?

 

The name was "Terraplane" as a stand alone make in 1934, '35, '36, '37. Then in 1938 it became a sub-model of Hudson and thus a Hudson Terraplane and said so on the hub caps. In 1939 basically the same car was called the "Hudson 112".

The summary is the Terraplane cars were really built from mid-1932 through 1938.

It really is a misnomer when people regularly refer to Terraplanes as "Hudson Terraplanes". We don't call them "Chrysler Plymouths" or "Ford Lincolns" which would be similar.

Photo of my own stock '34 Terraplane 6 convertible coupe attached. Approx. ten left in the world because several donated their convert bodies to Hudson sedan ch***is to create more valuable Hudson 8 cyl. converts!

 

Neat picture. Neat Museum. My wife's Grandfather used to talk about the family Elmore. He'd be 105 now if he was still with us. Elmore had nothing to do with Elcar.

From Wikipedia

Elmore Manufacturing Company was a manufacturer of veteran and br*** era automobiles, headquartered at 504 Amanda Street,<sup id="cite_ref-0" cl***="reference"></sup> Clyde, Ohio, from 1893 until 1912. The company took its name from its original place of manufacture, the nearby village of Elmore. Founded by James and Burton Becker, Elmore used a 2-stroke engine design, in straight-2 or single-cylinder versions. They later produced a straight-3 as well.

The smallest 1904 model was the Elmore Convertible Runabout. Equipped with a tonneau, it could seat 4 p***engers and sold for just US$ 650, making it one of the least-expensive vehicles on the market. The flat-mounted single-cylinder engine, situated at the center of the car, produced 6.5 hp (4.8 kW). A 2-speed transmission was fitted. The car weighed 1050 lb (476 kg).

The Elmore Runabout was next in line. It could seat 2 p***engers and sold for US$ 800. The vertically-mounted straight-2, also situated at the center of the car, produced 8 hp (6 kW). A 3-speed transmission was fitted. The angle iron-framed car weighed 1400 lb (635 kg).

The top model was the Elmore Tonneau. It could seat 4 p***engers and sold for US$ 1400. The flat-mounted straight-2 was situated at the front of the car, produced 12 hp (8.9 kW). A 3-speed transmission was fitted. The angle iron-framed car weighed 1500 lb (680 kg).

In 1908, Elmore's three-cylinder two-stroke caught the attention of William C. Durant, founder of General Motors. He purchased the company the following year, with Elmore becoming one of General Motors' divisions. After Durant was forced out of General Motors in 1910, the Elmore marque was soon cut, along with several other unde rperforming brands, to help General Motors achieve financial stability.

 

Glad you have enjoyed the Wagons. I do have some more to come, Chevy never made a Two Door Wagon in 1953. Here's one coming up for auction this weekend in Dallas that left the factory as a 4 Door Handyman. I personally don't care for the chop but to each there own.

 

I think mid '60s is a good rule of thumb with exceptions of limited production or never factory made such as the '66 and '67 Chevelle Wagons I posted.

Something to consider.

AACA accepts all vehicles 25 years old and older. Being the age I am, it's not easy to accept some of these cars as Antiques and to realize they are now as old as they are.

Goodguys excepts cars up through 1972.

NSRA now accepts cars 1980 and older. A 1980 car is now THIRTY years old. EEK!

I would consider these 1971 Eldorado Two Door Wagon Concepts an exception.

 

Here is a rear 3/4 view of a 1958 Edsel Wagon. Edsel did do wagons in '59 but no Two Door Wagons in '59 or '60. The '60 Edsel pictured earlier was built from a '60 Ford Two Door Wagon.

 

I would say that who ever built this did a very nice job of what a 1958 El Camino might of looked like.

 

Another rarely seen original 1939 Cl***ic Willy's-Overland Deluxe. Recently out of the garage where it's been most of it’s life. 87,000 Original Miles. A Clean Solid Original Car.

Most Willy's we see have been messed with.

 

Makes you want to go out and build one !

 

I don't get it. People said the Graham sharknose was ugly, but the
similar Willys was, apparently, okay. I thought BOTH were decently
styled. One got ZINGED, the other didn't. Figure?

 

I shoulda posted it is a photoshopped picture.

Sorry bout that.

 

Hey, Wrench, don't worry about it. You ID'd it as a PhotoShop job, and I do feel PhotoShop is a valuable way to try out ideas before somebody embarks on the harder (and costly) work of cutting and fitting the real thing! I myself put up a 'Shopped Ford pickup to illustrate a point. (At least you didn't put a fourth man on a gr***y knoll or somthing! LOL) PhotoShop has its place, you know?

 

I actually prefer the Graham but it is more radical then Willys. Consider that the 40/41/41 restyle of Willys's front end is universally loved more then the earlier nose so I'm not sure this one was that popular either.

 

This 1964 Morgan Plus Four Plus coupe was shown at Pebble Beach in 2009 after being fully restored.

Only 26 were made from 1964 to 1967, and this might be the perfect car for those that find the Triumph Italia far too mainstream.

The front fenders have a similarity to slightly earlier Healey roadsters, and the two-tone paint was not offered on all +4+ cars so it is not clear whether this car came from the factory this way.

The interior features a clean looking 3-spoke steering wheel and three large dials. Seating surfaces are opulent Ostrich skin.

The drive train is a 4-cylinder fed by twin side-draft carburetors. Websites describing this model state that these were most often powered by the Triumph TR4 drive train.

Only two of these are known to exist in the United States.

 

The styling of both cars would have benefitted by adding a third headlight in the middle.


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