History We ALL Love a DARE! PIX of TRULY Extinct Makes?

Imagine, a slanty you can actually reach the distributor!!!!!!

 

Ryan, I'm glad you are here, as I (and, I'm sure, others on this thread) certainly do NOT consider the badging details on the Canadian Ford- and Mercury-related cars and trucks trivial, by any means. More than most people, CAR people really care about the details. So, glad we have a well-studied Monarch, Meteor, etc. guy in residence on this thread.

I my defense, though, the people who own the vehicles I showed yesterday are the ones who identified them. Herein, I think, may be the rub: Most people, ownersincluded, GENERALIZE when it comes to the Canadian models (probaby even if they know the fine points themselves, you know?). I imagine they do that because they figure (probably correctly) that most people looking at flicker, WebShots, etc., are LAY folk, not car people by and large.

Anyway, you have a willing and attentive audience here on the HAMB. Educating the internet community in general, however, would surely be a hopeless cause! LOL

 

I don't know if there are any still known to exist ,
but regardless, this 1913 Marion is a rare and little
heard of marque. Apparently Harry Stutz worked
for Marion before he went on to found the Stutz
Motor Company.

Mart3406
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As already stated by some other posters,
it's just a Canadian-built "Mercury" truck -
not a "Mercury Meteor". Strangely though,
I've seen a few pre-'59 Mercury-badged
trucks - pickups and several "big trucks"
too, on a recent trip to Cuba, of all places.
I'm not sure why, but it seems that even
before the revolution and the ensuing and
still existing U.S. blockade, that a lot of the
Ford cars and trucks sold in Cuba, were built
in Canada. I noticed too that most of the
pre-1959 Pontiacs on the road there. also
are Canadian-built models that used Chevy
frames, engines and running gear.

Mart3406
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Another *probably* totally extinct make - the
1904 to 1912 "Garfield" and from 1913 to 1914,
"Willys-Garford".

Mart3406
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(From 'American Automobiles' - www.american-automobiles.com )

The Garford Automobile & The Garford
Company

The Garford Company
Elyria, Ohio
1908-1913

Arthur L. Garford was in the Bicycle saddle business,
an invention that he devised and patented in 1892.
In 1901 he organized the Automobile and Cycle
Parts Company, which later took the name Federal
Manufacturing Co.

In 1904, Garford resigned as president, disposed
of this interest and purchased from The Federal
Mfg. Co. its automobile parts plants in Cleveland
and Elyria and organized The Garford Company.

Many American Automobiles in the early 1900s
were "Assembled Cars" made from parts that
were manufactured by company's like The
Garford Company. The Garford Company
produced rear axles, front axles, transmissions,
steering gear, propeller shafts and many other
high quality parts for these assembled cars.

In 1905 Garford was approached by Studebaker
to supply a chassis for a new gasoline automobile
they wanted to produce. Prior to 1905 Studebaker
made carriages, wagons and Electric automobiles.
Garford began with a 16 horsepower two cylinder
chassis, following this with 20, 28 and 30 horsepower
chassis equipped with four cylinder engines. The
automobiles were called the Studebaker-Garford
at first then simply Studebaker. The Garford
Company provided Studebaker with chassis up
to 1910.

In 1908 Garford launched two American Automobiles
under his own name. A $3,500.00 30 horsepower
Model A and a $4,000.00 40 horsepower Model B.
The Garfords were large automobiles equipped
with four cylinder engines, followed by six cylinder
engines in 1912.

Garford produced a wide range of cars for 1912,
two fours and a six cylinder were offered in 19
body styles. Typical specifications included a
120 and 135 inch wheelbase, four cylinder 36
horsepower engines and six cylinder 44
horsepower engines, selective sliding gear
transmission with four speed forwards and
reverse. Prices ranged from $3,000.00 to
$4,500.00.

On August 1, 1912 The Garford Company came
under control of John N. Willys who bought all
the Garford stock held by Studebaker and
Arthur Garford then retired. The 1913 Garford
had a large single parabolic headlamp sunk
flush with the radiator. Specification included
a long stoke six cylinder 60 horsepower engine,
four speed transmission, 128 wheelbase,
36 x 4 1/2 inch wheels and tires, electric starter,
electric lights and speedometer. 1913 was the
last year of Garford production. In 1914 Garfords
were advertised and sold as Willys-Garford and
by 1915 the Garford factory was used to make
the Willys-Knight engines for the Willys
automobile.
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I came across a book I bought last summer at a swap meet called Automobiles Of America; Milestones . Pioneers . Roll Call . Highlights . By The Automobile Manufacturers Association. It is a third edition done in 1970 by Wayne State University Press.

Under Roll Call, it reads; More then 3,000 makes of cars and trucks have been produced by some 1,500 manufacturers in the United States since the dawn of the auto age. Some were trial models, some were produced for one year only, others have a longer story. Listed below are the names of more then 3,000 makes that can be documented, with known years of production. The fact that more then one manufacturer may have used a specific name at the same time or at different times is not indicated. Model names, such as Corvair (Chevrolet) and Valiant (Chrysler) are not listed. A final dash ( - ) means to date.

Under Highlights it reads; The story of highway transportation in America and it's influence on the American people and there way of life can sometimes be most successfully told in terms of pure facts and figures. These cold numbers actually are the highlight of that story. Then under Historical Vehicle Statistics, it lists separately how many motor vehicle registrations there were for passenger cars, buses, and trucks each year from 1900 to 1969. Then there is a total column.

There are some other interesting columns too which I may list later but the point of this post was intended to be about the Hendal automobile which this book says was produced in 1904.

 

Well, Jim, that is PROOF in my eyes. Hendal DID exist! I think your COMMITMENT to auto lore, stats and facts is COMMENDABLE, buddy!

Did the book give any background, such as where it was produced, etc?

Man, I'd love to be able to pore over THOSE lists in that book!

 

BTW, it is AMAZING to me that so many of those early makes either (1) don't appear on ANYBODY's "regular" lists, or (2) there are NO photos or ads, much LESS surviving specimens!!!!

I have come to believe that, for MOST people, they didn't exist at all. And THAT makes our QUEST on this thread all the more relevant, don't you think? I pose the question to YOU -- and not rhetorically -- as you have been with this search since the thread started.

 

Alright, Grahame! Ever since '77, various crackpots have claimed to sight ELVIS!
I KNEW Elvis, and he was no Jack Kennedy! But, both the King and Jack loved the
ladies, right? Anywho, I FOUND ELVIS! Plus Jimmy Hoffa, for good measure.






Yup, it was found in the middle of nowhere. El and Jimmy are in the trunk. But
it's rumored the whole area is haunted, so the "locals" don't touch it. Reportedly,
the closer you go to the car, the louder you hear "Suspicious Minds" playing.
Oooo! TRUST me on this one.


(Anyway, joking aside, there were less than 1,000 of the 'verts built, depending
on the specific model. )

 

Below is a nice color magazine ad for the '57 Imperial land yacht. It clearly
shows the distinctive bumper and the signature Imperial tail light pods.

 

There is one 1912 Garford G-14 touring listed in the 2010 HCCA membership directory living in California. I would presume that it is the same car as I found on Concept Carz; This 1912 Garford seven-passenger touring car is the lone survivor, acquired by Harrah's in 1969 and subjected to a three-year restoration. The car has a six-cylinder engine with a 4.25 x 5.25 bore and stroke, generating 50 horsepower. It has a 139 inch wheelbase. It has mechanical two-wheel brakes. Original selling price was $4500.

http://www.conceptcarz.com/<wbr>vehicle/z12794/Garford-Six-<wbr>Fifty-G-14.aspx

 

1913 Garford Six Touring Car

Only the 1913 model, the last Garford automobile, bore a single headlight. It was often referred to as the "One-Eyed Garford". Garford Trucks continued on into 1933.

 

The Garford Automobile Company

Mr. Garford quickly recognizes the growing importance of the horseless carriage. In his new factory, he builds cars to compete with Henry Ford. He eventually sells his business to Studebaker.

http://elyriapride.elyria.com/timemachine/industry.html

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GCYNG5

 

Museum of Moscow - Proviantskie Sklady - Studebaker Garford - Pictured Below

Thanks To Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker-Garford

There is also a 1907 Studebaker-Garford in the in the Crawford Auto Aviation Museum

http://ipac.wrhs.org:8080/ipac20/ip...=.MW&uindex=&aspect=subtab24&menu=search&ri=5

And there is a 1910 Studebaker-Garford in the Cleveland Auto Aviation Museum as well

http://ipac.wrhs.org:8080/ipac20/ip...=.MW&uindex=&aspect=subtab24&menu=search&ri=5

 

Nice going, Jim. I always wondered about the Studebaker and Garford alliance. But this makes sense. Both companies seemed to feel they needed the mutual business support and tech know-how of eachother's company! And I surely never knew that Garforde continued to makre trucks as late a 1933! WOW!

 

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1907 Studebaker-Garford Model H Landaulet ​

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1907 Studebaker-Garford




edited by David Barth, 30 January 2009.
Courtesy The Crawford Auto-Aviation Museum in Cleveland, Ohio, USA. Photos were taken in January 2009.




This luxurious landaulet (automobile with a half-folding roof) was the combined effort of the Studebaker Corporation and the Garford Manufacturing Company. In 1902, Studebaker added electric cars to their wagon production. Two years later, in 1904, gasoline powered cars came out of their factory as well. Between 1906 and 1913, Studebaker acted only as the selling agent for cars made to their order and produced by other manufacturers.

The Garford Manufacturing Company of Elyria, Ohio, made the more expensive models that were sold as Studebaker-Garfords. These models were favored by ladies and were intended for town use, shopping, visiting, and short drives. The body is very small with little storage space.

This Studebaker-Garford was custom-made for Mrs. Bertha Palmer of Chicago, the widow of Potter Palmer, owner of the Palmer House Hotel and several properties along State Street. Their house was called "Palmer Castle," and Mrs. Palmer was the grand dame of Chicago society. The car's exterior is in her favorite shades of purple, heliotrope (lighter) and amaranth (darker), with red striping. The mauve velvet interior is accented with tapestry trim, beveled glass, and rich cherry wood. This Studebaker-Garford was sold by the Palmer chauffeur to a collector in the 1950s and has been painstakingly restored.

Model: H
Body Style: 2-door Landaulet (7-passenger)
Original Factory Price: $5,540
Brake Horsepower: 30
Displacement: 280.6 cubic inches
Bore: 4 1/8 inches
Stroke: 5 1/4 inches
Cylinders: 4, cast in pairs
Wheelbase: 104 inches
Manufacturer: Garford Manufacturing Company
Distributor: Studebaker Corporation
Location: Elyria, Ohio, USA (Garford)
South Bend, Indiana, USA (Studebaker)
Years of Production: 1903-1910

Donor: Louis A. Bettcher

 

1910 Studebaker-Garford

 

1928 LeMoon 2-1/2 Ton Truck

 

1915 NELSON LEMOON TRUCK, NATMUS, AUBURN, INDIANA 2008


APPROX. 3,000 TRUCKS WERE BUILT BY NELSON LEMOON BETWEEN 1910-1939

 

What a frame on that Le-Moon, what a monster, I love it!

 

Available Truck Company (Chicago, IL)

Antique Gas & Steam Engine Museum.
Manufacturing and wholesale industries of Chicago
By Josiah Seymour Currey
&#8220;In 1912 Mr John Rath organized the Available Truck Company which was incorporated with a capital stock of twenty thousand dollars and which is successfully engaged in the manufacturing a commercial motor truck of the highest grade the factory being established the same site as that occupied by the plant of the John Rath Cooperage Company.
The Available Truck Company of which Mr Rath is president and has already gained substantial vantage place in the field of truck manufacturing and the factory output has reached an annual average of one hundred fifty of the high grade automobile trucks concerning which the following have been made in advertising matter issued by the company In designing the Available chassis we have given full consideration to every mechanical device We have tested and tried every good motor We fed these good motors with gas from different carburetors and we have a dozen ignition theories in our ceaseless search for service and economy We have tried the holding pulling and transmitting power of almost every of transmission known to motordom and on the points of control braking general truck building we have steadily held to the highest standards of simplicity strength and service In the Available chassis we present we believe to be and what more men are proving every day to be the economical practical serviceable one two three and one half and five ton within any man's buying reach.&#8221;



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and more:

http://www.silvercordclassiccars.com/?page_id=15

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From NZ:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgplewka/3519004845/

"Marion Tourer 1913 - Southward Car Museum
Marion Motor Car Co, USA

One of only two Marions known to have been imported to New Zealand, this exhibit has travelled less than 4000 km."

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/jacksnell707/2995115309/

"1911 Marion Model 40 Torpedo Roadster 1
Wind In Your Hair - The First Amerivan Roadsters special display at the California Automotive Museum, Sacramento, CA

Photographed at the California Automotive Museum, Sacramento, CA"

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Always loved those tail lights.
Their nickname was "sparrow strainers"
Can you imagine catching a bird in one??????????

Distinctive styling from a bygone era.

 

Dual Power Car is built by Wood

1917


[Photo: Wood&#39;s Dual Power Car]

Wood&#39;s Dual Power Car had a driveline similar to the current GMC/Chevrolet Silverado hybrid pickup truck.

The Woods Dual Power was built by the Woods Motor Vehicle Company of Chicago. Because the gas engine was so rough, but supplied more power and electric cars were smoother, but had limited range, the Woods Motor Vehicle Company wanted to supply a car that gave you the best of both worlds.


The best part is, it was a full hybrid (listen up GM) with regenerative braking. The engine was a parallel hybrid that included a 12-hp, 4-cylinder gasoline engine as an auxiliary drive system in addition to the electric drive train. The electric engine could propel the car up to 20 mph. Together with the gas engine, the dual wood power could get up to 35 mph.


The gas engine and electric engine were connected using a magnetic clutch. The gas engine became magnetized when activated (by a lever controlled by the driver). The copper disk was pulled against the flywheel connecting the electric motor to the gas engine.


The car battery designed for this car was about half the size of the batteries in other electric cars of the time. Once the car got up to 20 mph, the gas engine could be engaged, allowing the electric motor and gas motor to work together. The battery could be recharged or discharged by another lever. Recharging was done by the gas motor (at speeds over 6 mph) or by braking on level ground or when coasting down hills. A conventional brake pedal was only used at speeds of less than 6 mph.

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Since the Woods Dual-Power was around for a decade or so, one has to think the system must have worked pretty well. Maintenance needs must have been reasonable. And nobody was going much faster than 35 on public thoroughfares anyway.

So, do you suppose the mode just fell out of favor, OR was it as simple as the cheaper gas cars becoming more common and pricing cars like the Woods out of the market?

 

The electric self-starter and longer distance travel killed the early electric cars along with lower cost manufacturing of internal combustion technology and inexpensive fossil fuels of the day.

 

The "Baby Lincoln" has long fascinated me, for lots of reasons.

I suppose FIRST is that I can't grasp how the "baby version" came about. As I understand, the people at Ford went through a period where, generally speaking, they were not sure which new drawing-board style to assign to WHICH of the three divisions. My impression is that what became the MERCURY was, eventually, also pretty much adapted as a personal-size Lincoln, as well. (If that is so, it's significant from the standpoint that the Continental had been shelved, for a while.)

Lincoln built 1,200 'verts for '49. Sources I saw did not show HOW MANY of those were "baby" versions. My gut says, a FRACTION at best. Opinions?

I'm not a Lincoln guy, so EXPERTS, please wade in with facts. Appears to me that the senior and junior Lincolns shared the 337 flatty 8 with 152 hp at 3,600. At 121", the baby series was four inches shorter in wheelbase and 200 lbs lighter than the Cosmo 'vert -- BUT still over 2 tons, and 300 pounds heavier than a Mercury convertible. SO, nice cruiser custom, but not a drag car by any means.







The Packard influence is certainly evident here!



"Ron&Rachel" posted these two pix they found in Feb. '09 at a site they said
was called simply "Baby Lincoln."

 

First off, I want to THANK flickr for these two pix * ! As a fan of the earlier Lincolns, I have NEVER liked
the Cosmos ... but THIS is special! Seems to me, it was a truly "personal-sized" Lincoln. But it also one-
upped Hudson and Packard. (Nash had gone its own way, and I won't go there now.)




1949 "baby" Lincoln, thanks to flickr.





* Source -- 1949 "Baby" Lincoln 2-Door Coupe (2 of 10) on Flickr - Photo
www.flickr.com/photos/myoldpostcards/4698098778/ -

 

There are 8 Marions listed in the 2010 HCCA membership directory

1. 1909 Marion Flyer living in Washington State

2. 1910 Marion Special Roadster living in Kansas

3. 1911 Marion Speedster living in California

4. 1911 Marion Touring living in Indiana

5. 1911 Marion Bobcat Roadster living in Arizona

6. 1912 Marion Bobcat living in Texas

7. 1912 Marion 35 Touring living in Florida

8, 1912 Marion 36 Roadster living in California