History We ALL Love a DARE! PIX of TRULY Extinct Makes?

For anybody who hasn't seen them before, a couple of pages from said magazine. These show the detail of the article...





http://www.chuckstoyland.com/national/history/


Now, where are the other pages?

 

I don't have a problem with the way the car has been built.

"Restored" is a term used to cover many injustices.

Many vehicles that are paraded as "restored" are, in fact, replicas or reproductions. Restored (to me) means using all the original materials. This may involve making repair to the part. Making another part that looks similar to the original is not restoration (my opinion). Once new parts are substituted, the project becomes a "restification".

If it is necessary to use replacement/non original parts and or materials, the project has ceased to be a restoration, so moving to the "restification" or even "rodded" stage is acceptable (my opinion). As stated above, "it's his car and he can do whatever he wants with it no matter waht somebody else thinks."

At least the owner is not pretending the vehicle is something other than what is presented.


PS.
I strongly object to the car being parked across carparks allocated for the disabled, even if it it is a "show". For such disregard, the car should have been towed away and crushed.

 

@ Sunroof
The car is prety much stock other than the drop and wheels, we don't know about the rest. So why not, it looks great, with my job I often meet "restorers/collectors" who hate hot rods and when I talk to them they explain that on their XK-150 they put an automatic trans in place of the stick, swithched to a more modern injected 6 and assisted disc brake on all 4 corners...And still consider that as a restoration, figures...
To me as long as a car is still recognizable, bears some chromes I say why not.

 

Another FIRST: I just ran across the fact that Oldsmobile was the first to regularly use chrome plating, 1926. Sounds about right, timewise. But it got me to thinking about the "middle years" between the early "Brass" era and the routine use of chrome adornment.

Seems to me that nickel plating was pretty widespread, though I have never heard of anybody coining a phrase such as "Nickel-Plate Era." I do also think I remember reading that so-called German Silver was used for plating, as well, but I'll need to look that up again to see what metal were alloyed to make it. Of course, neither of those materials polishes to as high a sheen as chrome!

Anybody have any thoughts, facts OR know of other plating materials in the pre-chrome days?

 

I would like to thank this site here:
http://www.chuckstoyland.com/national/history/

That's where I found the needed page with the list of 1918 vehicles from Motor Age, January 3rd, 1918, as well as scans from several pages of that issue.

Sometimes, you get lucky!

 

Years ago, I went to the Swigart mueseum in Huntingdon PA. A nice collection of cars and other auto related things that was rotated occaisionally. I remember seeing a poster showing that before a certain time there were 150 auto makers and 250 motorcycle makers in the US. Maybe someone from the area can post a pic of this?

 

I'm thankful for even this partial list, as there's a wealth of info. But these pages only cover M-through-S. The Texas HAMBer I spoke with said the list is nearly 20 pages in all. So, it appears Chuck Test ony picked some representative pages, rather than showing the whole list.

 

Heads up, car nuts AND ALCO nuts in particular! The 1909 ALCO "Black Beast," which ran in the inaugural 1911 Indy 500 will reprise its performance with a ceremonial lap at the Brickyard during pre-race ceremonies. I understand that three or four OTHER cars from that race will also reappear. Not bad for century-old cars, eh? In keeping with this thread's theme: There are only 12 known ALCOs surviving today, putting them on our Very Rare list.





Here's a photo of "The Beast," being driven during the 2009 Vanderbilt Cup Centennial Celebration by auto historian and ALCO devotee Howard Kroplick. Lucky man, as Howard is also the car's owner! It's literally living history in motion, as it's the hundred-horse, six-cylinder machine that won the 1909 and 1910 Vanderbilt Cup races on Long Island. Whoa!

Driven by Harry Grant The Black Beast -- with over 500-CID -- was the favorite to win the first Indy 500 Race, 'til a connecting rod broke well into the race. Repaired, The Beast took second place in the 1911 Elgin National Trophy Race, before it was retired and presented to Grant. Of this weekend's festivities, Howard Kroplick recently enthused with tongue-in-cheek good humor: "I am optimistic that the Black Beast will finally be the first car over the finish line at Indy!”

For more info -- written by Howard himself -- go to Alco-6 Black Beast Racer on VanderbiltCupRaces.com.
And still MORE at: www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/index.php/blog/article/archives_alco...

 

At last fall's Hershey flea market, trucking-company owner Tony Guarnaschelli showed his 1912 Alco Two-Ton Truck, believed to be the only running Alco truck left in the world. (Note: There are only about 12 known ALCO autos still in existence. And THIS is the only known running ALCO truck, though one Charlie Dusselier's granddad has one in his barn, near Kansas City.)

Lots more keenly interesting stuff -- on ALCO and the Vanderbilt Cup -- at this site:

The Vanderbilt Cup Races | Blog | Archives: Alco Trucks
www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/index.php/blog/article/archives_alco... -

 

In posts #5021 and #5072, SUNROOFCORD discussed armourplated Mercedes Aktion K vehicles.


This post -

MERCEDES BENZ G1 (W103) 1926 - 1928

It seems seven (7) G1/W103 vehicles were built. None seem to have survived. Extinct?







http://www.autoevolution.com/image/mercedes-benz-g1-w103-1926/17076.html

http://dieselpunks.blogspot.com/2010/10/mercedes-benz-sixwheelers.html

"Built by appointment to the Imperial Army in 1926, the 3-axis G1 was a rugged transport vehicle which provided seating for six thanks to its long wheelbase. The vehicle is easily recognizable thanks to its unique 6-wheel configuration, wide front and rear tracks and prominent wheel arches. Powered by an in-line 6 cylinder unit with a power output of 50 hp, the vehicle could reach a sluggish top speed of 37 mph. However, such figures were large enough to propel the vehicle's bulk across unfriendly terrain. The power plant channeled all of its power to the four rear-wheels via a 5-speed manual transmission with low gear ratios while an all wheel pull-wire braking system was in charge of bringing the vehicle to a halt when needed."

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For anyone interested -

Some years later came the G4/W131. There were 57 built and there appear to be 3 survivors.

http://dieselpunks.blogspot.com/2010_10_01_archive.html

http://www.theautoindustrieblog.com/2011/04/mercedes-benz-125-years-of-innovation_25.html

http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/top-1939-Mercedes-Benz-G4-Offroader.htm

http://www.germancarforum.com/older-mbs-vintage/31299-adolf-hitlers-mercedes-g4-sale.html

http://www.worldwarcars.com/

http://www.plusmodel.cz/gallery/164/index_en.php

 

+1

Very rare car. There are many others that can be hot-rodded.

 

1913 Alco Model 6 Berlin Limosine ​

 

The layout appears to be similar to the Scammell Pioneer of 1926:

The photo shows one of the early examples, which had their headlights on top of their radiators and consequently looked rather like snails. The Pioneer is an altogether bigger vehicle, but it and the above Mercedes-Benz both appear to have the same sort of walking-beam rear suspension. Drive is taken to a conventional single live rear axle on leaf springs, except that there is on each end of it a casing containing a gear train to drive a pair of wheels, one forward of and one behind the line of the live axle. As a result the left pair of rear wheels is free to rotate independently of the right pair.

Photographs also suggest that the front axle had little or no roll stiffness. The vehicle was therefore effectively a trike, but with two wheels in place of each of a trike's three wheels, thus making six in all. Drive was not taken to the front axle before on the Pioneers built during the Second World War.

The look of the vehicle had changed considerably by then, too: the headlights had come down to a more conventional position by the early '30s, and '40s versions had their radiators thrust over the front axle like many other trucks of that time. I find the look of the very early models quite distinctive and rather more appealing than later versions. An image search turns up very many of the latter: I wonder if any "snail" Pioneers survive - in their original form.

Of course 1926 was the year Daimler and Benz merged: their respective products continued in independent parallel for a few years after, so the above design could have come from either side. One will invariably wonder who of Scammell and Daimler and Benz got the idea from whom: or if it was merely a case of two designers ending up wrestling with the same concept because they were both staring at the same situation.

Edit: come to think of it the G1 has much more a Benz than a Mercedes look around the front end.

 

Ned, every now and then I come back to this photo of an early Scammell. It's a case of a picture being worth a thousand words.....



http://www.roadtransport.com/blogs/big-lorry-blog/2010/11/how-do-you-fancy-writing-about.html

 

Recently there has been threads on early V8 engines.

Fact:
Scania-Vabis' Denmark plant manufactured V8 engines in 1917.

Questions:

Were they used in motor vehicles or railway engines?

Were there 25 approx. or 8 built?

Can anyone find photos of the engine?

What were the specifications of the engine?

Note: This photograph appears on motorbase.com....



http://www.motorbase.com/picture/by-id/121767519

I am unsure that it represents the 1917 V8 ....... but, I may be wrong

This (translated) link: http://www.truckerlinks.dk/engelsk/scania.htm
makes mention of the V8 being manufactured and used in ambulances, police cars, cabs and luxury cars.

This (translated) link: http://www.truckerjohn.nl/English.htm
makes mention, under "Wartime specialities" section of Gustaf Erikson being re-employed to work on development of a large V8 engine.

On this link: http://toolkitstatic.scania.com/millennium/archive/1911.html
there are pages of photgraphs of vehicles delivered, but V8?
BTW, there are 4x4 models (some were converted by Citroen in France) and 4 wheel steering.

Sooooooo ....................... V8?

 

I don't know much about it, but a friend of mine has a VERY early Humber, one of supposedly two in existence, and it is desperately in need of restoration. Luckily, his family has all the capital they need to fix it.

Also, Franklin automobiles are defunct, but they are definitely not extinct. I have been to a museum in the Franklin's hometown that houses more of them than any other museum or private collector- I think they have at least one of each model, as well as many other rare cars.

 

Hiya, man! Welcome to the thread! I think you mean the British Humber, right, not the U.S.-made Hummer? If you can get any pix or other info on this car, I'm sure everybody here would love to SEE. THANKS!

 

http://freespace.virgin.net/scammell.man/history.html

 

You are referring to ther Northeast Auto Muiseum in Norwich NY.

Great museum, outstanding Franklin collection!

They are serious about cars made in NY.

Welcome aboard!

 

I was pleasantly surprised yesterday by a totally chance meeting with Keith
Woffard of Fort Lauderdale who had his one-of-five, right-hand-drive '57
Thunderbird in tow! Right off, it's a car on our ULTRA-RARE list! But I'm
also a sucker for cars that (1) are very rare, and (2) unmussed, originals.

I'm no pro judge. But though some info I dug up on the car says it's "mint,"
I'd still give it a big thumbs-up 95-point rating myself. Just a beauty to stand
next to and take photos. Being our resident Mark II owner, I am sure Barry
can attest to the many nice style touches, from any angle on these first-gen
'Birds! A real joy to see in person.

I still shoot real film, so I won't have pix for a while. I dug up a couple
of pix of the car to show here, from Mike Kelly's CruiseNews and from the
English auction house, JamesList.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Source: Classic Cars Of The World Car Show • August 3rd, 2008[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]www.cruisenewsonline.com/ClassicCarsOfTheWorldCarShow2008/57Thu...[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The Best Ford Car award went to this rare right-hand drive 1957 Ford Thunderbird owned [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by Keith Woffard from Ft. Lauderdale. The car has only 8,000 original miles and was 1 of 6 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]made with right-hand drive, and only 1 of 4 left today. A white top and wide whitewall tires [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]contrast the dark red exterior, and the white interior has an add-on A/C unit to keep this hot [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]T-Bird really cool."[/FONT]​

And, from JamesList: "1957 Thunderbird Ultra-Rare Factory Right Hand Drive. One of six
built by Ford in December 1956. Only 8,000 actual miles, original tires, one repaint since new,
mint condition. Winner Best Ford of Show, Classic Cars of the World. No rust ever, delivered
new to military officer in England, been in storage in Arizona. Red with white interior, white
hardtop only, runs and drives excellent, 312 engine with automatic transmission and power
brakes."​

​

Interior shot from April '11 when the 'Bird was apparently floated on JamesList, a British
auctioneer. I've driven right-hand, and it's no problem. Originality-wise, you'll notice that
the car doesn't even have after-market seatbelts added. ​

 

Another Right Hand Drive "57 Thunderbird with the original factory invoice;

http://ctcc9.blogspot.com/2010_01_01_archive.html

 

The original factory invoice makes no mention of being
shipped RHD, as far as I can see. The original invoice is
incorporated into a later statement that addresses this
on the top and bottom lines. One account holds that it
was "converted" in Hong Kong, as documented in an
internet post, apparently by the guy in the photo.

My only point is that this one may explain why folks
differ on whether there were five factory-authorized
RHD or six. I believe this material clearly shows that this
was a later conversion (not factory-auth), though just
who did it is a mystery to me.

 

WEIGEL - 1907/10. Weigel was based, at the time, at Angel, Islington (think MONOPLY game) UK.






http://ucapusa.com/lost_marques_weigel.htm

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http://www.cqout.com/item.asp?id=10106753


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http://www.bridgwatermercury.co.uk/your_say/mercury_memories/4411481.Reader_solves_car_mystery/





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http://www.librarying.com/cars/4/5/album1.htm (Lots of other great photos).

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Weigel DNF in France -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1907_French_Grand_Prix

The cars were 4 cylinder, but the race car (pictured) was a 14,866cc straight 8. Two 40hp 4 cylinder motors were joined in tandem and used a 2-speed gearbox.

Have any Weigel's survived? Extinct?

 

Weigel logo:



and, 1908 Weigel



http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weigel_Motors

 

There's an ignored/neglected Powell truck sitting in a back yard in Pahrump, NV