History We ALL Love a DARE! PIX of TRULY Extinct Makes?

"Star of India" Rolls Royce Phantom II Continental -



http://www.mmocam.com/?tag=rolls-royce

"Sometimes the classic and rare cars indeed have a very high price, far above the price of a new supercar equipped with advanced technological features.
That is what also happened in a car 40/50 HP Phantom II Continental alerts in 1934. car dubbed the ‘Star of India’ was originally to be released with an offering price of approximately USD 14 million!
If the plan is implemented, it might make it as one of the most expensive car ever in the world. The car itself was originally created exclusively for the emperor Rajkot.
But after stopping in several auction house, a rare Rolls Royce could eventually released at a price below the first offer, ie USD 850,000.
Uniquely, the car was actually purchased an Indian man who turns out to be Mandhatasinh Jadeja, a former prince who was none other Rajkot is the grandson of the emperor’s first owner of the car. Apparently, Jadeja took Rolls Royce “Star of India” as a gift to his father on his birthday his 75th.
Mandhatasinh Jadeja, former prince of Rajkot, told the Times of India, he plans to bring back her grandfather’s old car to his homeland and gave it to her father as a birthday gift.
The car was actually sold by his grandfather to a British collector in 1968, and after falling to several collectors, eventually the car was on display in an Art Gallery in Ontario, Canada.
A very special luxury cars are made by Thrupp and Maberley and have a fairly luxurious coachwork, and can accommodate seven passengers and a few unique touches to his paint.
Sepakbor bonnet and wings made of polished aluminum and the entire body whitewash ocher color of saffron, a color that is considered as a symbol of purity in India.
Also the car’s interior is made entirely by using the color of ocher, and dashboards with marble accents are also colored turmeric paste. Other unique features are the two fog lamps can follow the movement of the steering wheel when deflected."

 

ALFA ROMEO G1:




http://www.italiaspeed.com/2005/events/pebble_beach/preview/alfa_romeo/101.html



http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/picture-room/8560-alfa-romeo-g1-history-lesson.html

Only recorded survivor. 52 total build - 2 prototypes + 50 production cars.
The 50 production cars did not sell, so, all 50 were sent to Australia.

http://www.italiaspeed.com/2005/events/pebble_beach/preview/alfa_romeo/alfa_romeo_g1.html

http://www.alfaromeo.com.au/default.asp?action=article&ID=21754

A good read:

http://www.caradvice.com.au/60069/alfa-romeo-g1-touring-australia/

 

Car of the Week: 1925 Rollin

June 14, 2011





By Brian Earnest

There aren’t many sure things in life, but Steve Jansen can be almost dead certain of one thing: Wherever he goes in his 1925 Rollin touring — whether it’s to the or a big national car show — he’s going to have the only Rollin there.

Go ahead and ask: A Rollin? What on earth is that?

Well, it’s one of those ultimate orphan cars — so rare that almost nobody around today has ever even heard of them, let alone ridden in one or owned one. But Jansen, a resident of Madras, Ore., has one, and with it he has a bit of a claim to fame.

“To my knowledge — and, of course, there are always those ‘barn finds’ out there — but to my knowledge this is the last Rollin still on the road,” Jansen contends. “I know of two of them that are sitting at the Crawford [Auto-Aviation] Museum. They have two of them, because the Rollin was built there in Cleveland… And I got an e-mail the other day from Harrah’s — the American Automotive Museum — and they supposedly have a ’24 Rollin, but as far as I know I have the only ’25 left in America.

“There are supposedly a couple of them down in Australia, and maybe another one in New Zealand, but I really don’t know about those. That’s just what I’ve been told by somebody.”





Jansen is no stranger to owning rare and somewhat unusual iron, and he found it surprisingly easy to become the owner of the only driving 1925 Rollin. All he really had to do was turn on his computer and buy it.

“Actually I found it on eBay,” he said. “It kept coming up and getting re-listed. Nobody made an offer on it because nobody knew what it was. I gave him a low-ball offer and he accepted. I’m kind of a small collector of ’20s vehicles. I pretty much look at all the ads and stuff on the older ones … but I had to do some homework after I bought it. It took two months to get it shipped here [from La Porte, Ind.].

“I have an old 1939 Cletrac tractor, it’s fully functional, and I was looking for parts for that, and I kept coming up with this name ‘Rollin.’ My memory jogged and I remembered that this kept coming up on eBay … Basically, I was looking for parts for my tractor when I came across the car.”

That was a little over a year ago, and Jansen has yet to come across anybody who can identify the car by looking at it. That’s probably not all that surprising, considering the Rollin cars were only built in 1924-24 and only about 8,500 were produced.

The Rollin had some name recognition associated with its brand back then, however. The cars were built by a company founded and operated by Rollin Henry White, who had been the chief engineer at the White Company of Cleveland, a high-profile builder of the White steam cars from 1900-1918. Rollin White left that venture and started his own company to build Cletrac tractors, and he eventually tried his hand at producing automobiles at the same Cleveland plant under the Rollin nameplate.



The Rollin cars arrived on the market in the fall of 1923. For the 1924 model year, they were offered as a five-passenger touring, DeLuxe touring, three-person roadster or five-passenger sedan. The following year the models changed slightly and a five-passenger phaeton, three-passenger roadster, five-passenger sedan and five-passenger Brougham were offered.

The touring car was the cheapest model and listed initially at $895 — a competitive price for the time.

All the Rollins were built with 112-inch wheelbases and carried a 41-hp four-cylinder engine with four main bearings and aluminum rods and pistons.

By all accounts, the cars were given high marks by critics and were generally very likeable machines. They had pleasant styling, traditional lines and claimed to be the first American-built cars that made it to market with four-wheel hydraulic brakes.

If they had a shortcoming, however, it was apparently that they weren’t big enough. Their four-cylinder didn’t quicken many pulses, especially when the competition was offering bigger power plants. Another problem was that the company didn’t leave much of a profit margin for itself, and when it jacked up prices for the 1925 year, the limited demand for the cars cooled ever further and only 2,088 were built — an ominous drop from the 3,662 cars assembled for the previous year.





After two years, Rollin White had enough of the car business and the company went under, although he stayed in the tractor business until 1944. With so few Rollin cars built originally, and parts so scarce for the obscure make, it’s no great shock that few survived.

Jansen knows he has a rare prize on his hands with a car that appears mostly original and runs just fine. Even if the car needed restoring — which it doesn’t — Jansen says he would be reluctant to change much.

“I kind of hate to destroy any of the historic significance by restoring it,” he said. “It has no rust, it’s straight, and it’s functional, so what do you do with a car in that kind of shape?

“It’s got the original patina on it. It’s hard to tell with the upholstery, it looks so darn good. I can’t say that it’s original, but I see no signs of it ever being replaced. It’s in exceptional condition … The speedometer shows 42,000. I think that’s original miles, but that’s a guess. The speedometer still works. Actually, everything on it still works.”





Jansen also has a 1927 Franklin, 1928 Pontiac sedan and 1928 Model A Ford coupe, which he calls his “daily driver,” so he’s plenty familiar with pre-war cars. Still, he’s had plenty of fun getting to know his orphan Rollin and explaining the car to others. He also hasn’t been shy about taking it out on the road. “It drives fine, holds the road good,” he said. “Top speed is about 45. It’ll cruise all day at 40. For its age, it’s very good.”

The car needed some attention before it got any road time with Jansen behind the wheel, however.

“It was running, but barely," he said. “The guy that had it wasn’t able to work on it. … The distributor was pot metal and it was broken. There were just some minor things. It’s very, very correct right now with the exception of the distributor. I put a Ford Model A distributor in it. I had to modify it.”

Jansen said the car originally had an automatic centrifugal spark advance on the distributor, “but that’s gone now. They had mechanical spark advance, a fully pressurized lubrication system, which was unheard of back then. It’s a conventional three-speed transmission, which back then, Ford didn’t even have. The engine is actually almost a knock-off of Cletrac’s. Basically, it’s the same engine that’s in their tractor, complete with a wet clutch. You look at it, and it looks like a tractor engine. It’s got leaf springs — transverse across the back and normal leaf springs on the front. I believe it has a Walker body on it, but I’m not too sure. There is no identification on it.

“Really, it’s almost identical to a 1925 Model T Ford fordor.”

If nothing else, the Rollin cars and the company itself are remembered for a maritime mishap. In December of 1924, the freighter “The Lakeland” sank in Lake Michigan with 68 new Rollins strapped to the deck. Divers have found the wreck and the cars still on the deck. “Some people say the ship was scuttled by the crew,” Jansen said. “One of the cars was brought up in 1979 and was still in good condition until it hit the air and started to rust so bad it could not be salvaged and was junked.”



Jansen will have plenty of decisions to make regarding his Rollin in the near and distant future. At some point down the line, the car might be a good candidate to join its fellow Rollin survivors as a museum piece. On the other hand, Jansen likes the idea of having the only Rollin on the road, and he enjoys driving it.

It’s a bit of a dilemma — what do you do with a car that’s not overly valuable, but still one of a kind?

“That’s basically what it’s all about — the novelty,” Jansen said with a laugh. “It’s nothing like a Duesenberg or anything like that. It’s just a plain old poor man’s car that somehow survived all these years.”

“Even people that are car nuts, they look at that and can’t believe it. Nobody has ever heard of it.”

 

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1924 Rollin 5 Passenger Touring Sedan ​

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1925 Rollin Model G Touring ​

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Hello,

that's a nice topic !
I would like to speak about french extinct makes if it's possible here?

Do you recognize this french makes ?



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I was asked a question yesterday that I am not finding the answer to, so I need your help. When was the first Brake Light (stop light) on an automobile or horseless carriage???? Looking up first stoplight only brings up the stoplight you see at a semaphore.

 

Rochet Schneider about 1914? That later merged with Berliet...

 

I think one problem with the Rollin was that it was underpowered. Even though a figure of 41 hp is given, the engine is only about 150 cid (3 1/4 x 4 1/2). Most cars of that size had 200cid or more. The engine was a new high-compression type, designed by ex-Studebaker engineer Fred Zeder who went on to design the first Chrysler engine with Owen Skelton and Carl Breer. The other problem with the Rollin was that you could buy a bigger car with more cylinders from the bigger manufacturers for the same money. Rollin of course was Rollin White (of the well known sewing machine and truck-making family), who set up the Cletrac tractor business.

 

POST #5231 #5232 #5236 - ROLLIN

"Rollin ​

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engineers are constantly working
for new.standards of performance hitherto
not attained in cars at any price. New refinements
of springs and a new development
in steering gear have jnst been incorporated
in the design of the Rollln~​

making ​

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it one ·of the easiest steering and
one of the most comfortable riding cars
on the entire market- regardless of price.
You will be amazed at the results attained​

by this new development.

In no olher car will you gel tI,is combination 01 advanced​

lealures;

New Easy Steering Design
New Transverse Rear Spring
'I-Wheel Brakes
'I-Bearing Crankshalt
Full Size Balloon Tires
Force Feed Lubrication
European Type Motor​

25 to 30 miles per gallon of gas


Much more when you read this site, but give it time to load (around 7 - 8 meg.). Rollin White held lots of patents for many things, including #740500 21 May1902 for an adjustable Golf Club grip:

http://www.firedragon.com/~kap/SteamTopics/RHWhiteNomination.pdf

 

Re posts #5209 & #5211 - PALM

Found a clue that PALM cars had been sold in Britain.

I started searching again and found that the PALM was manufactured by the same company/s that manufactured PALMERSTON cars between 1920-1923, in Bournemouth, UK.


"Palm<TABLE style="WIDTH: 25em" class="infobox hproduct" cellSpacing=5><CAPTION class=fn>Palm</CAPTION><TBODY><TR><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" scope=row>Manufacturer</TH><TD class=brand>Palmerston Lytcar Company</TD></TR><TR><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" scope=row>Production</TH><TD>1922-1923</TD></TR><TR><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" scope=row>Body style</TH><TD class=category>two seat open with dickey seat.</TD></TR><TR><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" scope=row>Engine</TH><TD>Coventry-Victor 9hp twin cylinder</TD></TR><TR><TH style="TEXT-ALIGN: left" scope=row>Transmission</TH><TD>3 speed manual</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
The Palm had a larger 1018 cc engine, still by Coventry-Victor, with a taxation horsepower class of 9 hp. The gearbox was mounted in-unit with the engine and the gear lever centrally placed. The body now featured a dickey seat but it was also possible to buy a bare chassis for the purchaser to mount their own body on.
In early 1922 the car was advertised at £275 and the smaller car had its price cut to £250. By the end of the year the price had come down to £245 or £215 for a chassis."<SUP id=cite_ref-automobile_0-6 class=reference></SUP>

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmerston_(car)

Dates don't match with the dates on the photographs (1920) that were previously posted, but ......

Being available as a chassis is possibly the best clue. In Australia in the 1920's, and much later, there were advantages to just importing a chassis and having the body built and fitted later. It may also explain why the completed cars in the photographs had a "Ford-ish" look.

I believe that PALM cars belong on the EXTINCT list.

 

Please let us all know what you find.

This is the oldest article I have found - Popular Mechanics, January 1918:

http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/pdf/CARS signals.pdf

but, I think "BREAK"/brake/stop lights would pre-date that.

 

Cadillac is not extinct by far but some models built by them are or nearly extinct.

The car is a 1937 Cadillac V12 Formal Sedan model 8509F It is reported to be original and unrestored, and the only example left known to exist out of 41 originally built. It is also 1 of 11 made with an English Landau Leather top. This '37 Cadillac was also owned by the producer of The Munsters and used during the first season as Herman Muster's personal car. It is prominently featured in Episode 11, "The Midnight Ride of Herman Munster".

The only differences visible from the car in episode and the current photos are the fog lamps and the trunk.

I have the episode on DVD. I always thought this car was black. That's the magic of b/w film. I also had wondered if the car still existed and to my surprise it still is.

 

In my opinion there can be no doubt that the Palm cars pictured in #5209 are just rebodied Fords. The crashed car has a Ford radiator and Ford chassis but a non-Ford body (more barrell-sided) The disc wheels on the other car more likely to be covers over the Ford spokes.

 

Good answer, it's a nice Rochet-Schneider with his driver.
The plant is soon visible in Lyon.

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On American Soil: 1956 GAZ M20

This 1956 Russian GAZ M20 Pobeda was imported to the USA at the height of the Cold War and is almost certainly the only one in the country. The current owner has owned the car for 11 years, with history on the car dating back to 1956, and says that it runs and drives well. Janesville, Iowa.



It has a new muffler and new tires, though it will probably also need brake work and new weather-stripping. The speedometer does not function either. The engine looks reasonably sorted given the age and origin, while some minor paintwork would go a long way.



Amazingly, this car is said to be rust free and still wearing original paint. Despite a few dents, the panels look straight, and according to the seller no bodywork has ever been done. The almost military grey is suitably proletariat, and reflects the WWII origins of the design.



The interior is austere and simple, yet perhaps more refined than one would expect from such an early Soviet car. The rear seats are said to be in good condition and the door cards look clean. The front bench and center console will need attention however. No mention or photos of the headliner are provided.



With its Tatra-esque rear end, the GAZ-M20 has a distinctive profile and is reasonably attractive overall. Although no driver&#8217;s car, its rarity in the and early build date would no doubt make it a hit at any Eastern Bloc car show. Do those exist?

 

An aerodynamic version


1951_GAZ-POBJEDA-SPORT.jpg

 

I have never seen one in Europe but I've a document about this firm


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That Eldorado is a real vehicle. I researched the car's history back to John Alexander of Port Edwards, Wisconin, the orignal owner and instigator of its creation.

The car was not a Cadillac experiment, but rather a bit of fun for Alexander. He pestered Cadillac engineer Frank Burrell to install the supercharger, and hired Jack O'Day's body shop in Wisconsin Rapids to customize the body. Expert body man Pete Marsh did the body work.

People of a certain age in Port Edwards still remember John Alexander. He owned many cars, but it was a novelty when Alexander bought the Eldorado new, and wanted it cut. Folks also remember that the Eldorado wasn't exactly dependable, having left Alexander or family members stranded more than once.

You can find the complete article in the October, 2007, issue of Cars & Parts magazine, assuming all back issues haven't been recycled into J. C. Whitney catalogs.

Dave Duricy

 

Yo, you seem to have some stuff together. And you like the ElDos. But you missed the point on the main page where it says to do a personal intro and describe what cars you have (hopefully ONE of them HAMB-friendly). Your profile doesn't show anything at all. Please drop back a space and do the intro.

 

Post #5243 -







Lots more - http://englishrussia.com/2011/03/19/victory-in-america/

 

A Russian Hot Rodded "Probeda", also a rare car - (Not HAMB friendly, so just look at the pics. on the link )

http://www.maybach.ru/pobeda/index.php?ind=0

PS - The Russians also did something similar with a Volga. (again not HAMB friendly, so just look at pics on link).

http://www.nfscars.net/forum/album.php?albumid=527&pictureid=9085

 

ARAB: - 12 (?) built with 2 low chassis cars surviving, but high chassis cars appear to be extinct.






The Arab was a high performance English automobile designed by Reid Railton and manufactured in Letchworth, Hertfordshire, between 1926 and 1928.




The car came about following discussions between J. G. Parry-Thomas, design engineer at Leyland Motors, Reid Railton, his assistant and Henry Spurrier, chairman of Leyland Motors.
Leyland had made 50 four cylinder engine blocks intended to be used in fast delivery vans but the project was not proceeded with. The three discussed what to do with the blocks and the building of a 2 litre sporting car was agreed. A prototype was built using an Enfield-Allday and the car taken to Brooklands for the 1924 Easter Meeting.
The engine had an overhead camshaft with the same unusual valve springing using leaf springs as those found on Parry Thomas's Leyland Eight. Drive was to the rear wheels via a Moss 4 speed gearbox and ENV spiral bevel rear axle. It was one of the first English cars to use an electric fuel pump. Production was started in 1926 at the Letchworth works of two variants, a low chassis sporting model and a high chassis touring type. Two and four seater bodies were available on the high chassis at £525 and probably only the two seater on the low chassis at £550.
Parry Thomas died in March 1927 attempting to break the World Land Speed Record in his car Babs, and with his death Railton lost interest in the Arab and the Letchworth works closed after only about 6 or 7 cars were made. The remaining components were bought by Thomson & Taylor based at Brooklands and a few more cars were assembled.
This was something of a pity, as the car was an impressive performer with the two-seater high chassis good for 80 mph, and the Super Sports was said to have been capable of going 90 mph (140 km/h). One high chassis is known to have been supercharged and is said to have achieved 105 mph (169 km/h).
Two cars are known to survive, both low chassis.

http://www.cartype.com/pages/161/arab




http://www.prewarcar.com/index.php?option=com_content&catid=34&id=1432&view=article&Itemid=100

"This is the first low chassis Super Sports Arab car to be built. The factory
quoted a guaranteed speed of 90 mph for this model. This car was assembled
at Thompson & Taylor&#8217;s at Brooklands after the demise of Railton&#8217;s Arab
factory at Letchworth, Hertfordshire, following Parry Thomas&#8217;s death at
Pendine in 1927. It was originally fitted with engine No. EA12 but in 1936 it
was fitted with its present engine No. EA20 from Railton&#8217;s own pre-prototype
known as the S.R. (Spurrier Railton). Railton had raced this car at the
Brooklands Easter Meeting in 1924, competing in the 75 mph Short Handicap
and the 90 mph Long Handicap. He, and also Spurrier, Parker and Shorrock​

raced this car at Southport and elsewhere
...................."
http://www.antiquemann.im/downloads/REID-RAILTON-ARAB.pdf

http://www.antiquemann.im/cars.html

 

Post 5249, they're also somebody building a "Merc" on a Cayenne platform, not Hamb friendly and absolutly ugly, but the technology they put in the build is amazing: 3d scan, CAD and 3 axis mill to name a few, maybe it's gonna be the way to build car in the futur, the Pobeda looks to have been build the same way, but the Volga was masterfully handcrafted out of flat aluminum sheet by some aircraft metal masters, and it still looks like a Volga.

 

LINON:





"Out driving in an early Linon motor car in Ipswich.
This well-dressed Ipswich couple are driving an early Linon voiturette (light car), probably a 1902 model with a single cylinder, 3 1/2 horsepower De Dion-Bouton engine. The man is dressed in long pants, jacket and cap, and the woman is wearing a large, feathered hat secured with a scarf.
Linon cars were built in Belgium by a father & son company of former bicycle makers. The car in the photograph is unusual in that the drive is taken from the front mounted engine to the rear wheels by a flat twisted belt, a system more commonly used to drive agricultural machinery at the time. Secured to the front of the dashboard, behind the oil lamps, is a glass and metal lubricator device."

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...ng_in_an_early_Linon_motor_car_in_Ipswich.jpg

http://www.the-automover.com/untitled0.htm

I cannot find very much other information on LINON cars. It reads as though the firm may have been small, but, they still managed to build vehicles and, at least one, was exported to Queensland, Australia.

There is this reference to a "Golf Buggy" - 'Voiturette légère biplace LINON (B, 1900-1914) à moteur De Dion 3 CV (culasses refroidies par eau).
<DD>En 1912, monocylindre 8 CV et 4 cylindres 10, 12, 14, 16, 20 et 22 CV (B)."</DD><DD> </DD><DD>http://philippe.boursin.perso.sfr.fr/autohi3b.htm.</DD><DD>

Some vehicles produced by LINON were to designs by Gauthier-Wehrle.

The firm appears to have been based at Ensival-Verviers.

</DD>Is there more information on the firm?

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There is a

1901 Linon Vis-a-Vis - Reg # BS8149. Domiciled in the UK.

http://www.veterancarrun.com/entries/2011.html?Page=15&order=make

It entered the RAC London - Brighton Run.

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1901 LINON Vis-a-Vis:



"Believed to be the oldest example of the Linon marque, this lovely veteran is presented in excellent and extremely original condition. It is fitted with a four-seater Vis-a-Vis body and powered by a single-cylinder 4½ h.p. belt-driven De Dion engine. BS8149 is a well known participant of numerous London-Brighton runs, it's most recent being in 2010."

http://www.jameslist.com/advert/244224/for-sale-other-linon

So, not extinct, but very rare?

 

Yeah, I'd say let's put it on the ULTRA-RARE list, unless somebody knows of a Linon Registry. LOL!

Interesting engineering on this little car. The period we generally know as the "Horseless Carriage" era is pretty fascinating, in terms of things that were tried, some NEVER destined to make it on future, successful makes. Too, many marques that went defunct -- or even EXTINCT -- did at least pass on some popular feature, eh?

Now, a vis-a-vis would have been called a "dos-a-dos" in the U.S. and Canada, am I right?

 

Though this seating arrangement seems cozy, in theory anyway, I wonder about the folks riding BACKWARD. Suppose that could cause early car sickness? (Using best Monty Python accent here ...)

"Oh, Roland, do slow down a tad! I'm about ta toss me crumpets!"

 

Jimi,
It's not a back-to-back (dos-a-dos). It's a front-to-front (vis-a-vis)! Then again, you Americans do get a lot of things back-to-front (dos-a-vis ), even driving positions - you couldn't get it RIGHT so you had to have what was LEFT. .

 

Jimi,

A photo of an IHC in action in S.E. Queensland.



Image sourced from Picture Queensland, State Library of Queensland
This image is free of copyright restrictions.

http://maps.bonzle.com/c/a?a=pic&fn=dt2v4vp9&s=3

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http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/1906-INTERNATIONAL-HARVESTER-IHC-AUTO-BUGGY-PRINT-AD-/160574932129

 

http://tractors.wikia.com/wiki/IHC_trucks

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http://members.chello.nl/j.baartse/cars/Cars_I.html

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http://www.barthworks.com/cars/forneytrucks/1909ihctruck.htm

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http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z17209/International-Harvester-Model-A.aspx

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http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/OldTrucks/

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