History We ALL Love a DARE! PIX of TRULY Extinct Makes?

LITTLE MIDLAND:

In post #4577, SUNROOFCORD referred to the make MIDLAND -




http://www.american-automobiles.com/Midland.html

is not the same firm as LITTLE MIDLAND, even though it uses a Pound (currency) sign for the "L".

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The LITTLE MIDLAND LIGHT CAR COMPANY, operated in the UK and produced cars from 1905-1922.




http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Midland




http://www.automobileadshop.com/192...nlancs-light-car-advert-with-price-2230-p.asp












http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/wiki/Little_Midland_Light_Car_Co

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The brand is not extinct, but, it is quite rare.

This is a photograph of one in Australia, the only one I can find, at this time:





http://vccsa.org.au/zenphoto/strathalbyn2011/1912-little-midland-1.jpg.php

 

Rare: 1949 Allard M-1 Drophead

This 1949 Allard M-1 drophead coupe, serial number 859, and has not been operable since at least 1978. The current owner imported it to North America from the UK in 1998, and has all importation documents. He describes the car as mostly complete, with the aluminum panels over an ash wood frame.



This current owner knows the model well, as he has a fully restored version of the same car in the same color. The interior looks mostly complete, with fray door panels and seat upholstery that could be original.



Power comes from a Ford flat-head V8, and the engine compartment seems to show that the car was once red. The original documents for this serial number show it to have been silver with a gray interior and blue top. That is what it deserves to be returned to during a restoration.



This is an interesting car and the photo of the current owners restored example is inspirational. This one is plenty nice to deserve restoration.

More pics;

http://www.tildentechnologies.com/AllardM/index.html

 

ALLARD:

M1 Drophead - rare but not verging on extinct.

Allard Registry: http://www.allardregister.org/

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This is VERY RARE:

http://www.allardregister.org/storage/technical/Allard_ArdunConversion.pdf

It is a letter from Allard to Don Wilson, Melbourne, Australia, dated 8th August 1951. Wilson had been making enquiries about Ardun conversion "kit".
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At the date of the above letter, there were a number of Allard cars in Australia, including a J2 Chassis #1699 with Mercury Ardun Engine #2008X.

http://www.motormarques.com/marques/39-allard-j2

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A number of Allard cars were used in a number of facets of Australian motorsport.




An Allard, photographed at Alice Springs, Northern Territory, participating in the 1953 Redex Trial, which was an around Australia event.

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A J2 with a Cadillac motor, from Melbourne, Australia raced at Sonoma, US earlier this month (June 2011).

http://trackthoughts.com/2011/06/08/the-2011-sonoma-historic-motorsport-festival/

 

M.A.B. :



http://www.aarg.com.au/events-wings&wheels2006.htm

Above is a photograph of what is described as a 1910 M.A.B. powered by a Liberty aeroplane engine.

Is there anything else known of M.A.B.?

At this time, I can't find anything else. The other thing that I keep coming back to, and for no logical reason (a worry in itself), is Queen Mab of the Fairies. Is the car simply a modern interpretation of a by-gone era?

 

Courtesy of Wikipedia;

The Paterson| was a Brass Era/Vintage car built in Flint, Michigan from 1909 until 1923.

Canadian-born William A. Paterson set up the W. A. Paterson Company in Flint in 1869 to make carriages. Even though he entered the automobile field later than many of his fellow carriage makers, he was totally committed to the enterprise, and manufactured a well-built automobile. By 1910, he had completely stopped producing carriages. The earliest Patersons were typical of motor buggies at the time, featuring a two-cylinder air-cooled engine, planetary transmission, double chain drive and solid rubber tires. In 1910, the Paterson matured into a more refined automobile, with four-cylinder 30HP engines, shaft drive, and selective transmission.<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference"></sup> Six-cylinder engines were introduced in 1915, and the four was dropped the following year. For the remainder of its production run, Patersons featured Continental six-cylinder engines.

As with Cole in Indianapolis, Patersons enjoyed a high degree of owner loyalty. There was also a widespread distribution network, with dealers in all 48 states.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"></sup> After William Paterson died in 1921, his son, W. C. Paterson, and associate W. R. Hubbard had trouble running the company during the postwar depression. In July 1923, the two sold the company to Dallas Winslow, who was the Dodge dealer in Flint. Winslow stated he would be hiring the engineering and production manager, E. C. Kollmorgen, to alter the Paterson in order to continue production, but he must have soon changed his mind. The Paterson was thus added to the list of automobile manufacturers that were put out of business by the postwar depression.

Pictured;

1-3 1910 Paterson touring Car

4-5 Factory Photos

6 ... 1918 Paterson 6-45 Sedan

 

Pictures of a 1915 Paterson;

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfav8/5264143714/#/photos/alfav8/5264143714/lightbox/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfav8/5264143714/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfav8/5264144046/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alfav8/5263533173/in/photostream/

 

Seems there was also a Patterson Automobile not related to the above Paterson;

http://www.highland-ohio.com/patterson_automobile.htm

http://www.highland-ohio.com/patterson auto_tommy smith.htm

Which eventually became the Patterson-Greenfield;

http://stalwartpublications.homestead.com/First_Black_Autos_Media_Kit.pdf

http://edwardianpromenade.com/busin...-gilded-age-c-r-patterson-automobile-company/

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...om/bui/p/patterson/oo1918_patterson_ad.jpg&im

Link To Book Pictured Below;

http://stalwartpublications.homestead.com/index.html

 

While looking for something else, I came across the following photograph on HEMMINGS. Check out the "STOP" light, probably the earliest I have seen:



Thanks HEMMINGS: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/02/

 

PATERSON:

One "T" not two "T"s and 1907 confused model in the UK:



http://scriptorsenex.blogspot.com/2010/02/patterson-1907.html

 

Paterson:



http://www.earlyamericanautomobiles.com/1915.htm



http://www.earlyamericanautomobiles.com/1910.htm

 

"Give or take a century or so ... For more information on this 1909 Paterson Model 30 charmer and what it was doing on the HIll, turn to Page 6. Photo by Roy Kaltschmidt."

http://www.lbl.gov/Publications/Currents/Archive/Sept-10-1999.html

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nickhepler/4331025451/

 

Since the above posts, autotriangel/Uffe made contact with me.

He has since sent me a large quantity of material on Scania-Vabis that includes copies showing the V8 engine and cars (like the one pictured above) being assembled with V8's fitted.

There were also details and copies of a different V8 that was fitted to railway engines.

I was going to scan some of the more relevant (to this thread) material and post it here. Unfortunately, I "upgraded" to a laser printer and disposed of the older multifunction printer. Problem - no scanner on new printer. I contacted my daughters so I could borrow a multifunction to do the scanning, but, they too, have upgraded and no scanner.....

 

Here is a clear example of an "almost extinct" The Buffalo Truck and Tractor Company operated out a building in Clarence NY, with a dealership around the corner on Main St. Clarence NY. They manufactured 170 trucks during the course of their existance, and one of them has been restored and is on display at the Clarence Historical Museum. I paid a visit there today and took some pictures. One of the unique features of the Buffalo truck was the 3 brass balls in front of the radiator that was the water resovoir for cooling.

 

Out of the 170 trucks made, this may be the only one in restored "running" condition. The Docent at the museum mentioned there is a rumor there is another Buffalo truck in non-running condition on display in a restaurant of all things. She didn't know where, or if that was true.

 

Powered by a 4 cylinder Hercules motor, this truck has 12 speeds! The company was called the Buffalo Truck and Tractor company, but they did not build tractors per se. This truck was geared so low it could be used as a tractor in the fields.

 

So here is a company, that incorporated, built a factory, a showroom, and manufactured trucks. The only verified example of its work is in a small town museum, and is the ONLY vehicle in this museum. They only have limited hours, and NO website! It is just by my proximity to the area that I know of this, and an internet search is virtually useless for this info.
Don't you wonder, exactly how many one of a kind creations are hidden away like this?

 

I did read that they did build only one fire truck. And that was for the Clarence Vol. Fire Co.
The factory is now a county highweay garage, and the showroom a bowling alley. The museum I was in has a long history including being a restaurant.

Hoping I'm not boring you with all the pictures, but thought I should get them "out there"

 

The trucks were built chassis wise, then driven to another location for the wood bodies to be built. Then back to Clarence. The Orange color was the standard color.

 

MITSUBISHI:

Not Mitsubishi per-se, but, the Mitsubishi Model A produced between 1917 and 1921.

MITSUBISHI MODEL A - EXTINCT?

"Based on the Fiat Tipo 3, it was a four-door seven-seat sedan powered by a front-mounted 26 kW (35 hp) 2.8 litre straight-4 engine driving the rear wheels, and was capable of speeds up to 20 miles per hour (32 km/h). 22 were built at the company's Kobe shipyard, including prototypes, between 1917 and 1921."




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Model_A

<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width=300><TBODY><TR><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef vAlign=middle colSpan=2>LENGTH</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#ffffff vAlign=middle width=104>3,830mm</TD></TR><TR><TD background=../../../../../share/images/greydot02_2x2.gif width=7></TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef vAlign=middle colSpan=2>WIDTH</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#ffffff vAlign=middle width=74>1,620mm</TD></TR><TR><TD background=../../../../../share/images/greydot02_2x2.gif width=7></TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef vAlign=middle colSpan=2>HEIGHT</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#ffffff vAlign=middle width=74>2,070mm</TD></TR><TR><TD background=../../../../../share/images/greydot02_2x2.gif rowSpan=2></TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef vAlign=middle rowSpan=2 width=107>WHEELBASE</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef vAlign=middle width=72>Replica</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#ffffff vAlign=middle width=74>2,640mm</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef height=14 vAlign=middle width=72>Original</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#ffffff height=14 vAlign=middle width=74>2,727mm</TD></TR><TR><TD background=../../../../../share/images/greydot02_2x2.gif width=7></TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef vAlign=middle colSpan=2>ENGINE MODEL</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#ffffff vAlign=middle width=74>KE43</TD></TR><TR><TD background=../../../../../share/images/greydot02_2x2.gif rowSpan=2></TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef vAlign=middle rowSpan=2>ENGINE TYPE</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef vAlign=middle>Replica</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#ffffff vAlign=middle>Water Cooled
4Cycle
4Cylinder
OHV</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef vAlign=middle width=72>Original</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#ffffff vAlign=middle width=74>4Cylinder</TD></TR><TR><TD background=../../../../../share/images/greydot02_2x2.gif rowSpan=2></TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef vAlign=middle rowSpan=2>DISPLACEMENT</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef vAlign=middle width=72>Replica</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#ffffff vAlign=middle width=74>977cc</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef vAlign=middle width=72>Original</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#ffffff vAlign=middle width=74>2,765cc</TD></TR><TR><TD background=../../../../../share/images/greydot02_2x2.gif rowSpan=2></TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef vAlign=middle rowSpan=2>HORSEPOWER</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef vAlign=middle width=72>Replica</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#ffffff vAlign=middle width=74>55ps</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tableText bgColor=#efefef vAlign=middle width=72>Original</TD><TD class=tableText bgColor=#ffffff vAlign=middle width=74>35ps</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>




"The car on display was reconstructed in 1972 using materials of the time."

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/corporate/museum/autogallery/e/history/mitsubishi_modela.html

 

MITSUBISHI:

A second qualifier, PX33 - Japan's first 4x4 - Extinct?

"The Mitsubishi PX33 is a prototype passenger car built by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, the company which would eventually sire Mitsubishi Motors.<SUP id=cite_ref-0 class=reference>[1]</SUP> Commissioned for military use by the Japanese government in 1934,<SUP id=cite_ref-px33_1-0 class=reference>[2]</SUP> it was the first Japanese-built sedan to have full time four-wheel drive, a technology the company would return to fifty years later in pursuit of motorsport success.<SUP id=cite_ref-paris_2-0 class=reference>[3]</SUP> Four working prototypes were built, and a version was in development using Mitsubishi's 6.7 litre, 70 PS (51 kW; 69 hp) 445AD powerplant, Japan's first direct injection diesel engine. However, the entire PX33 project was cancelled in 1937 after the government decided to prioritize commercial vehicle development of trucks and buses.<SUP id=cite_ref-px33_1-1 class=reference>["</SUP>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_PX33



http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.za/featuresites/mm_history/PX33.asp

NOTE: In 1988 there were 3 or 4 "recreations" built. These used contemporary Mitsubishi Pajero 4x4 chassis and 2.6 litre petrol engines.

 

MAB is Malicet and Blin, a French maker who supplied chassis and engines for other makers. I think their only customer may have been the British company who sold the cars under the name Marlborough. They lasted through to 1926 but I have no idea of how many cars were made.

I recall reading something about the Liberty-powered Special when it was constructed (in the late 1980s?). I think they had worked out that three Marlboroughs came to Australia. They were an undistinguished medium sized car.

I presume the same guy still owns the special? I know it has been here to NZ. I have seen it run - very impressive. From memory it has a Range Rover clutch and has inboard disc brakes.

 

Assuming the quoted original engine size is correct it would be Tipo 2 not Tipo 3. The Tipo 2 was 80mm x 140mm for 2.8 litres whereas the Tipo 3 - the same engine was used in the 15ter truck - was 100mm x 140mm (the same dimensions as the 4 1/2 litre Bentley).

 

Mitsubishi PX33, photo by Lennart Coopmans
First was the Mitsubishi PX33, a prototype cabriolet intended for military use, and Japan&#8217;s first four-wheel-drive passenger car. It ultimately wasn&#8217;t produced, and Mitsubishi retains the sole prototype.

Written by Jeff Koch
January 21st, 2009

Posted in Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car

 

Tne ONLY known '38 Bellini Runabout in existence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdP6irJrMrc

 

Hi, zuzulo56.

Good youtube clip.

Are you able to provided any more information about the Bellini runabout?

Thanks in advance.

 

Thanks for the MAB = Malicet and Blin. I knew the MAB photo I posted was not an original car that had been restored, but, I thought, it may have been a modern interpretation of an old racer (like the 46 litre BMW powered thing out of Germany - "BRUTUS").

I went looking and found a few bits and pieces on Malicet and Blin:

"Malicet et Blin

Malicet et Blin / M&B (1897-c.1903). French automobile maker.
Founded in 1890, Malicet et Blin was one of the major suppliers of components to the early car industry.
It did not produce compete cars, but did produce chassis, gearboxes, axles etc, and two cars made from these components are today known as Malicet et Blins ."








"1903. Tonneau. Single-cylinder. 8 hp. Reg No: BS 8212. Photo at the 2010 LBVCR"

http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/wiki/Malicet_et_Blin



Thanks: conam info.
http://www.conam.info/importeurs-tr...-v-utrechtse-auto-garage-v-h-g-immink-utrecht

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I was really more interested in the "Marlborough" cars that you mentioned. The Marlborough name jogged a few braincells and I started looking for the "Marlborough" car from New Zealand.

In the interim, I came across this advert. from the UK for another/the other/one of the others confused - Marlborough:



(Have a look at some of the items on this site):

http://www.priceninja.com/car-manua...age_num_standard=6&display_order=&layout=list

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Picture by Paul Polewacyk


Researched and transcribed by Ray Shoop Marlboro Automobile & Carriage Company &#8211; 1900-1903

"In March of 1900 the Marlboro Automobile & Carriage Company announced the completion of its first automobile. ......"

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~historyofmarlborough/horselescarriage.html

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THIS IS THE ONE ........



With thanks - "Images courtesy of Marlborough Vintage Car Club and Marlborough Vintage Farm Machinary Inc."

Best to just read from the site and check out the other photos:
http://exhibits1.museums.org.nz/collection7VCC/exhibit1/e10001a.htm

http://exhibits1.museums.org.nz/collection7VCC/exhibit1/e10001a.htm

 

Can any one find a list of the first automobile laws???? There were some like "A Motorist must pull over and cover up his Horseless Carriage in order not to scare a horse"

Thanks

Jim

 

In the UK - The Locomotives on Highways Act - 1861, would be amongst the earliest legislation. It had numerous amendments with major ones being in 1865 (The Red Flag Act), 1878, 1896

For motor vehicles, it would again be the UK with - The Motor Car Act - 1903.

"Clauses

• Section 1 of the Act introduced the crime of reckless driving, and imposed penalties.<SUP id=cite_ref-ni_0-1 class=reference>[1]</SUP>
• Section 2 of the Act introduced the mandatory Vehicle registration of all motor cars with the county council or county borough council in which the driver was resident. The council was to issue a unique number to each car, and prescribe the manner in which it was to be displayed on the vehicle. It was to be an offense to drive a motor car on a public road without displaying its registration number.<SUP id=cite_ref-ni_0-2 class=reference>[1]</SUP>
• Section 3 made it compulsory for drivers of motor cars to have a Driving Licence. There was no test required, however, a licence being given by the council on the payment of five shillings. The qualifying age for a car licence was 17 years and for a motor cycle 14 years.<SUP id=cite_ref-ni_0-3 class=reference>[1]</SUP>
• The speed limit on public highway was raised to 20 mph from 14 mph which had been set by the Locomotives on Highways Act 1896.<SUP id=cite_ref-ni_0-4 class=reference>[1]</SUP>
• Section 9 of the act allowed for lower speed limits to be implemented after a local inquiry.<SUP id=cite_ref-2 class=reference>[3]</SUP>
• Regulations are introduced regarding the braking ability of vehicles.<SUP id=cite_ref-3 class=reference>[4]"</SUP>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Car_Act_1903

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http://www.doeni.gov.uk/roadsafety/...-home/teacherzone-mvrus/mvrus-legislation.htm

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http://www.delhitrafficpolice.nic.in/traffic-history.htm

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These are some US oddities:

http://gizardboy1990.tripod.com/id49.html

It is probably best not to visit Pennsylvania.

 

Not so much extinct, but the company's defunct and the car's fairly rare. A 1940 Hubmobile Skylark 4-door sedan, with a very nice restoration:





I ran across it as I was photographing the car show today (07/06/2011.) As I photographed the car, several of us (owner/restorer included) began discussing the use of the the Cord 810 body stamping dies by Hupmobile and Graham. (At least from the cowl back.) Then the old story of the dies being sent to Russia for some reason, then languishing unused until they were melted down for scrap.

At least that's the story that most people seemed to agree on. I bet Sunroof Cord can set this one straight so next time I go shoot a show in that area, I can relay the correct info to the folks I was talking with.