History We ALL Love a DARE! PIX of TRULY Extinct Makes?

That can only be an Octo-Auto.
Can I be apprentice Master of the obvious?

 

StillCrazy & Zerk, if memory serves, Reeves built the Octoauto and a six-wheeler out of Overland automobiles. He couldn't get any investors interested in mass producing these beasts. Wonder why. Imagine in those days the difficulty of steering this behemoth! Yow.

We've cover these on this thread, and you can read more about them by using the search feature at the top of the page.

You did raise a good question, though. Extinct? I seem to remember reading that Reeves took his cars apart and reused or sold the parts, but I am not sure. IF anybody has survival info, please share it with us! THANKS, all!

 

Does anybody have pictures of Delaunay Belleville between 1929 and 1934? I can't find any (I was looking for a 1932 actually) On the Web it seems that all Delaunays are pre 1929 and the pictures I have start from 1935.

 

Here is an ebay listing for a Delaunay Belleville brochure from 1933. There is a page with photos of three nice body styles.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-Delaun...342?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56473c72ce

 

Nice job there, Bomb! Look at the WHEELBASES! I would have thought that the rarest Delaunay Bellevilles would have been '46 - '50.

Is there a REGISTRY so we could check and see survivor numbers, if any? Anybody at all.

(BTW, THANKS to everybody for three wonderfully enjoyable years
on the HAMB! -- Jimi)

 

Here is a pic of the oldest car I've upholstered and made a top for, 1910 Hupmobile.

 

1947 Delaunay Belleville! Very scarce. I'll have to check, but I think
they only build six, maybe four. Type R-16 w. coachwork by Antem.
Thank you, MotorBase!

 

Just a nice sepia pic of an '06/7 model Delaunay. By the end of the 1920s, public ardor had
begun to fade, and the company turned resources increasingly toward commerical vehicles
and, after WWII, micro-cars.

 

This F6 is not extinct......

Neither is this HP6

A car fit for Royalty, this 1910 owned by the tsar of Russia
The Imperial Family in front of the Imperial Garage at Livadia on "White Flower Festival" day in 1913. Left is an early Delaunay-Belleville ca 1910, right is a Rolls Royce Silver Ghost, one of two Rolls the Tsar owned at Livadia.


Tsarevitch Aleksey Nicholaevich, in 1909, sitting behind the wheel of a French made Delaunay-Belleville touring car. Delaunay-Belleville was the Tsar's favorite car.
The List of Automobiles in His Majesty's Personal Garage in 1910.
Automobiles Belonging to the Emperor:
1. 1906 Delaunay-Belleville - triple-phaeton
2. 1908 Delaunay-Belleville Landau
3. 1909 Delaunay-Belleville Limousine
4. 1910 Delaunay-Belleville Landau
5. 1910 Mercedes Landau
For serving the Imperial Suite:
6. 1906 Mercedes - blue limousine
7. 1906 Mercedes red limousine
9. 1906 Mercedes dark-blue half-opened model
10. 1907 Lessner dark-green Limousine
11. 1908 Panhard & Levassor - Landau
12. 1910 Serex Landau
13. 1910 Delaunay-Belleville - Landau
14. 1910 Baltic- Landau
15. 1909 Baltic Bus with a trailer-bed
16. 1910 English Daimler
Cargo Vehicles:
17. 1908 Renault truck with 2 trailer-beds, 1 van and a 1908 passanger
carriage
18. 1908 Daimler trailer-bed
19. 1908 Dietrich trailer-bed - 18 HP
20. 1909 Dietrich trailer-bed 20 HP
Belonging to the Palace's Warden:
21. 1906 Mercedes - dark-green limousine
22. 1906 Mercedes Omnibus
There were 21 drivers,1 driver for each motor-car, and a budget of 126,000 roubles ($1,260,000 today) to maintain the garage for the year.
By 1912, the Tsar had added to the Imperial Garage:
1 1911 Mercedes 4 cyl. 70 HP "Landau"
2 1911 Mercedes 4 cyl. 70 HP "Phaetons"
2 1911 Delaunay-Belleville 6 cyl. 45 HP "Landaus"
2 1912 Delaunay-Belleville 6 cyl. 45 HP "Phaetons"
1 1911 Baltic 12 HP Landau
2 1911 Mercedes busses
1 1910 Mercedes 4 cylinder 40 HP "racing" model for the Garage and, the Palace Warden received two new limousines:
a 1910 Serex 40 HP Landau and a 1911 Mercedes 4 cyl. 70 HP Landau.


This photo was taken at the Front sometime during World War I. Nicholas has just gotten out of another of the 1909 Delaunay-Belleville "S.I.M." open Touring Cars. Note the boiler shape of the engine compartment, a distinct reminder of the Delaunay-Belleville company's 19th century roots as a maker of Boilers and Locomotives

 

1930

1931 sales brouchure

 

Wow, thanks for the 33 pictures, those are indeed gorgeous cars. It looks like getting pictures of survivor after 1929 is pretty hard.
By the way I'm asking about Delaunay's because I was looking for a title for my 32 Euro Ford hot rod that I'm collecting parts for and came accross a Delaunay title and thaught it would be cool to make a "Delaunay Belleville" hot rod

Jimi, the 1947 Delaunay isn't a R-16 but a RI-6.
To compare in 1947:
Citroen 15/6
6 cyl OHV
top speed 135 km/h
price 236 755 Francs

Delaunay RI-6
6cyl L head
top speed 115 km/h
price 290 000 F

both have juice brake 4 independant wheels and about the same size
No wonder they disapeared.

Edit, I just found production numbers in the documents I have for 1947: 6 for 1948:4 then nothing, especially since the manufacturing plant was bought in 1948 by Rovin builder of microcar.

 

Chrisp, THANKS for the data! Hard to cme by but for guys like YOU! Often on this thread, I have found that posting WRONG info is the best way to motivate people!

Fortunately for me: The error was from the SOURCE, not I.

 

I'd better say, the red frowny face was mine and meant for comedic effect. LOL

 

It has been awhile since I have come across something worthy.

Here is an unusual car featuring a reversible powerplant.

The Watt Motor Car Company
From Automobile, January 13, 1910. Watt to occupy temporary quarters on Porter Street in Detroit and purchased new property in Hamtramck (a city within the borders of Detroit). The new property to be completed by spring 1910. Production expected to be 600 of 1910 models.

From Motor, Volumes 13-14, January 1910. Organized with $100000 capital to build a car with a novel six-cylinder reversible motor. Production to include runabouts, touring cars and light delivery wagons.


Have any survived?

 

Well, Floyd Clymer mentioned the Watts, but I looked everywhere for even a print ad from the period. All I found in the various sources was what you've stated in 5513.

That inner voice is suspecting that they didn't make anywhere near that 600-unit mark for 1910. The lack of info leaves an awful lot of questions, eh?

Survivor(s)? No help here, even in the odd places that osmetimes help. And only Wiki and ClassicCarDataBase even list it. Ouch.

 

The early days of the auto industry were pretty wild-and-wooly. Henry Ford started, what?, two companies that never produced a production model before beginning FoMoCo?

My understanding of Detroit in those days was that auto startups were a good place for people with lots of money to stick some of it, and a lot of them went nowhere.

-Dave

 

1934 Austin bus, 1 of only 22 originally

My dad also has a '28 Henney hearse

 

I posted these cars in another thread but in seeing this I thought maybe deserving definitely the only examples of the a Simplex or a Detroit electric i have ever seen in my short lifetime.







Batz

 

Dave, hilarious, but CLASSIC, observation about the early days & decades of the U.S. auto industry. Besides genius, there was a hell of a lot of dirty dealing and just plain ineptitude. Lots of characters back in that free-wheeling time. Some thought they could put together regional "assembled" cars from parts made by others. Some actually made it, and others lost their shirts.

By the mid-'20s, even Henry was seeing the writing on the wall. And by 1930, there was a whole new playing field.

 

Jimi, that is the Delage that won pebble beach last year not a Delaunay.

 

Thanks, AJ.. Somebody had it posted on the 'net as a Delaunay.

 

Is this the same company?

The Watt Automobile & The Watt Motor Co.

http://www.american-automobiles.com/Watt.html

Watt
The Watt Motor Co.
Detroit, Michigan
1910

The Watt Motor Co. produced a little known American Automobile called the Watt in 1910. 600 five passenger Touring Cars were planed the first year. However, very few of these $1,850.00 automobile were made. The Watt was equipped with a water cooled overhead valve 339 cubic inch six cylinder engine that was rated at 36 horsepower

 

I thought it could be a one off Delaunay Especially because of the more squarish grille than those found on Delaunays...
So it seems that we still don't have any pictures of any after 1929, could they be all extinct from 1930/39 and 46/48? The year 1932 seems to be even more rare to come by since there isn't even a brochure on the net.

 

Delaunay Belleville Type R 16 Coach By Antem (1947)

6 cars made in 47
4 in 1948

 

SWI66 check post 5506 and post 5510

 

So we are having this discussion on the Delauney Belleville, and what arrives in the mail is the current issue of Automobile Quarterly Vol 51 No. 3.
Featuring an article titled:
Magnificence Lost, The rise and fall of the Delauney-Belleville.

AQ alway includes great pictures.
On page 16 is a photo of a 39, and on pg i6 is a photo of a 1947 prototype.

And aside from the fact, the AQ car is a 4-door, the car matches the picture of the 47 above, the wheels, the hood vent, door handle location, and shape of the fender.

 

Sorry, Mike, for the confusion. I meant "Watts" as a plural proper noun describing multiple Watt cars. The company name was Watt -- no S.

 

1933 Delage D8S Coupe Roadster

I checked back, and the car referenced in Post # 5,505 is, indeed, a 1933 Delage D8S Coupe Roadster pic pulled from FlickR. Why the guy who built the D-B page included a Delage to illustrate D-V, I don't know. You mouse on the pic, and a pop-up asks if it's a good pic to illustrate Delaunay Belleville. There are some 15 thumbs-up and ZERO thumbs down. If you try and vote no, it says you must create an account. Go check it out.

Cars - Delaunay-Belleville photos on Fotopedia

www.fotopedia.com/albums/6f572799-dc05-46f6-9b3b-390275421e3a/e...

At any rate, THANKS to AJ, for purposes of THIS thread, we can set the record straight on the Delage, right? If adviseable, I'll remove the previous post. Thoughts?

 

GREAT, Gary. AQ comes through? Any chance of you scanning and posting those later-model Delaunay pix???

Here are some other sources I have NOT tried as yet. Maybe Chrisp already has.

Book: Delaunay Belleville 1904 - 1947
by Pierre-Henri, Phillippe and Francois Richer

Other possible resouces:
Anybody checked the Surrey Vintage Vehicle Society (SVVS)?
The OLD MOTOR, a serious site founded by HAMBer Dave Greenlees?

 

Here's a '29 chauffeured Delaunay Belleville (Type S4 Coupé Chauffeur), from
the Automobiles françaises des années 20 (1920 à 1929)group on FlickR. Not a '
32, but at least it's another for-REAL Delaunay Belleville! Jeesh, these babies
really DID get scarce after the worldwide depression began to take hold, didn't
they?



However, the sources I read did not say Delaunay-B STOPPED making passenger
cars, and we have evidence to that effect, right? So, other than the immediate
post-WWII production figures discussed, ANYBODY know what the D-B production
figures were year-by-year through the 1930s?