History We ALL Love a DARE! PIX of TRULY Extinct Makes?

From Wikipedia;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger

The world's first functional, actually tested engine supercharger was made by Dugald Clerk, who used it for the first two-stroke engine in 1878. Gottlieb Daimler received a German patent for supercharging an internal combustion engine in 1885. Louis Renault patented a centrifugal supercharger in France in 1902. An early supercharged race car was built by Lee Chadwick of Pottstown, Pennsylvania in 1908, which, it was reported, reached a speed of 100 mph (160 km/h).

The world's first series-produced cars with superchargers were Mercedes 6/25/40 hp and Mercedes 10/40/65 hp. Both models were introduced in 1921 and had Roots superchargers.

A Supercharged Chadwick Racing Car;

http://theoldmotor.com/?p=12878

 

When the Indianapolis Motor Speedway opened in 1909, Len Zengle won the inaugural 10-mile race in a Chadwick with what reporters called the most hair-raising performance of the afternoon.

Lee Chadwick of Pottstown, Pa., made the first noteworthy advancements in 1908 when he constructed a supercharged Vanderbilt Cup racer which was clocked at 100 mph. The marriage of a spinning air compressor to a gasoline engine worked and the all-American high-performance automobile was born. Chadwick began with an eight-inch-diameter fan driven by a leather belt to spin at five times crankshaft speed. Louis Renault had patented this centrifugal supercharger concept in France in 1902. Chadwick's second-generation design used three fans in series spinning at six times crankshaft speed blowing through the carburetor;

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/lenzengle.html

Very Interesting Discussion on Chadwick Automobiles;

http://forums.aaca.org/f169/gerat-chadwick-six-209495.html

 

Sole surviving 1913 Stearns-Knight on display at the Seal Cove Auto Museum

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Thanks to Seal Cove Auto Museum members Chris and Kathleen Koch of Palm Coast, Florida, and Trenton, Maine, the Museum has a fabulous new car on display for the season... a 1913 Stearns-Knight.
This magnificent Touring Car is the ONLY survivor from the 327 six cylinder Stearns-Knights built in 1913. It cost $5,000 when new, a fortune in 1913. The car was purchased out of the Harrah Collection of Reno, Nevada, and then restored to the condition you see it in today.

 

Here are a few. The '26 Moreland is very rare.
Normbc9

 

Is she related to Commodoreswab on here? He's also got a family connection to Chadwick.

 

I have been away for a while, but busy is good.

Sunroof, AJ, HJ, and Jimi-Shemi thanks for keeping the old S-K V-8 discussion going.

I looked everywhere as well.

I had even lost hope.

Sunroof, I am relieved and encouraged that at least one survives and in good hands too.

What an advancement that engine must have been.

Did anyone manage to use that powerplant for competition? It seems like it would be a natural.

I could find reference to they type, but not that particular V-8 in racing.

Vintageride

 

Yeah, Peter, that was great to hear. And it WAS an interesting search -- it appeared -- for all concerned!

Sort of give one hope we'll find a '32 Delaunay-Belleville yet, doesn't it??? LOL

 

I came across an info, there is a book dedicated to Delaunay Belleville published in 2002 it's:
Pierre-Henri, Philippe et François Richer, "Delaunay-Belleville (1904-1947) un fleuron de l'automobile - le parcours atypique du constructeur de Saint-Denis" - Editions Pages de Garde
and I found one copy there:
Philadelphia Area Center for History of Science
kind of far for me to check the book if they still have it of course, I couldn't find a copy of it in France yet

Also a sister copy of this thread (where I got the info on the book) but in french on defunct car/truck/motorcycle manufacturers with a lot of info on europeans manufacturers
http://www.forum-auto.com/automobiles-mythiques-exception/section5/sujet377390.htm

 

I JUST sold an original GLIDE radiator/grille emblem/script...

 

Crisp's original question: "Does anybody have pictures of Delaunay Belleville between 1929 and 1934? I can't find any (I was looking for a 1932 actually) On the Web it seems ..... the Watts, but I looked everywhere for even a print ad from the period."

Jimi: I did find three items on eBay, falling smack into the period you designated. One is even a BROCHURE, so no telling how many illustrations could be in there(!). Since I'm on dial-up still, I could not seem to get the images to open up. BUT, here are the eBay descriptions, if you really want to collect something on this period Delaunay:



<TABLE class="li rsittlref" r="8"><TBODY><TR><TD class="pic p140 lt"> </TD><TD class=dtl>1929 French Ad Delaunay Belleville Vintage Automobile - ORIGINAL ADVERTISING



</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE class="li rsittlref"><TBODY><TR><TD class="pic p140 lt"> </TD><TD class=dtl>1930's Delaunay Belleville Car Sales Brochure

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE class="li rsittlref" r="11"><TBODY><TR><TD class="pic p140 lt"> </TD><TD class=dtl>1933 Delaunay Belleville Four Six Eight 13CV 15CV 17CV 22CV 23CV 26CV Brochure


</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

Hey all

Haven't been around of late, but popped by to let you know of the Alco 60 hp being sold at RM Auctions. Beautiful machine:

http://www.rmauctions.com/milhous-c...=MH12&CarID=r101&fc=0&SortBy=RO&Category=Cars

 

From what I can tell that ALCO must be one of the best tour cars from that era, super restoration. There are only 11 ALCO automobiles left in the world, one was pulled out of a yard here in town back in the 1940's. The only ALCO truck makes it to Hershey every year, got a ride it that one year. My Dad got a ride the the 1911 ALCO Vanderbilt Cup winner when a local collector owned it.

 

See Jimi's post #5180

 

Thanks HJ, That ALCO truck can do 35 MPH. Some time in the early 1950's a guy bought a new Chevrolet in Copake, N.Y. and was short some money so he sold the ALCO to Henry Austin Clark on Long Island for whatever the balance was. Back in those days people could buy a car for cash. He drove the ALCO truck to South Hampton and it lived there until, the current owner bought it.

 

Since we're on the subject of ALCO at the moment, I can't resist showing this pic which
has bounced all around the 'net and the HAMB -- without a solid conclusion. On another
serious HAMB thread, the very GENERAL consensus was that it is a 1906 or '07 Ameri-
can Berliet (made under license by ALCO) OR an ALCO, pure and simple. Now, this is
and has been a VERY serious deliberation, so, PLEASE, no off-the-cuff remarks, okay?
You can't toss out there ANY comment/speculation not offered elsewhere previously!




One determined HAMBer was sure it is an '06/7 Berliet rear-entry tonneau. Myself, I honestly feel this has
been over-analyzed to the point where people were worn out or simply perplexed. Given the pride, I be-
lieve, ALCO took in each car they built (about an 18-month process, per car), I can't believe that ALCO
would put hubcaps clearly showing a stylized letter "B" on pure ALCO autos, once they'd abandoned
the Berliet licence. And since the transference took place at this general time, I honestly have to believe
that this car is among the very last American Berliets built by ALCO. To put it another way: It's a "bubble
car," right on the temporal bubble during which ALCO stopped making the Berliet and made cars strictly
badged as ALCOs.


(And, at ANY rate, BOTH marques are DAMN rare! LOL.)

 

This thread is awesome, so much history. Ive been reading for 3 days and only made it to page 25. Thanks everyone for sharing.

 

In 1905 automobile manufacture began in a Providence, RI plant using the French Berliet as a model. The American Locomotive Automobile Co. of Providence, RI was formed in 1905 and their early automobiles were known as the American Berliet. A couple of years later, the Berliet license was abandoned, and the American Locomotive Automobile Co. began to produce its own designs.



1906 American Berliet
American Locomotive Automobile Co. Providence, Rhode Island
1905-1913

 

1906 American Berliet

 

1908 American Locomotive

 

Ask and thou shalt receive ;-)

















All found via Google's Book scanning project, and these specific pages hosted on my site, http://Carfolio.com

 

I'm very sorry to say I've overlooked this thread for too long. Guess I took the title literally, Truly Extinct in my mind would be cars that were one offs with no known photos, like Simom Ingersolls Steamer, built in Stamford, Ct. I'm very happy to see there is a wide coverage of cars I've been interested in for 50 years. I have a lot of reading to catch up on, hope to add to the desussion when I can. Bob

 

Bob, this thread is more or less a history of the automobile for any obscure manufacturer.

 

Hi, Bob, I beg to differ on the definition of this thread.

As the scope broadened, shortly after thread inception, we tried to get the original title changed, but the mods didn't have the time. It's only correct on Post #1, "Extinct, Near-Extinct & Very Rare U.S. Makes & Models" (as if it helps since it doesn't show on any other page, nor on the HAMB main board). If you like what you have read and seen so far, I think you'll like it better the farther in you go, bro!

I did an update of how the thread had morphed and broadened since concept, back on Page 250 (posts 4,997 - 5,000). If you jump to that page a few minutes, I think you'd find that useful to put the thread into a proper perspective.

To clarify: Yes, the thread is still about searching for EXTINCT makes and models (domestic and foreign), though we're always tickled to death to find one or two SURVIVORS -- as well as cars/trucks known from the outset to have been built only as singles, prototypes, etc., etc. The HISTORY of obscure, small, failed or independent companies is only the backdrop, not the main point of the search; unfortunately, I think that gets forgotten. The history is FINE, but just doing the easy searches and copy/pasting everything here often does not, by any means, answer the question of extinction and/or relative rarity.

 

Zaktoo, you are a hero! On this thread, I have learned never to give up hoping. Even though years have passed, YOU turned up this super list, after all that time. As you say: One has, first, to ASK. Funny how a sincere question has staying power, until an ANSWER is finally unearthed! THANK YOU! There's a wealth of info in that Motor Age list from 1918.

This reminds me of when HJManiac turned up a rare list of actual Murray production numbers from 1921-22, and SunRoofCord nailed down definitive proof of an unrestored, long untouched Luverne in a Minnesota garage. All the regs have contributed "Eureka!" moments on this thread, but those two just spring to mind.

 

Only too pleased to be able to help. Will post more stuff soon, just busy organising it all.

 

Here's a teaser.

 

Imagine a motor industry with 126 manufacturers today! One can only dream ...

 

Hey! It WORKED!

Right on YOUR point there, Dawie! And, MANY worthy companies had already gone under by 1918, such as Speedwell and ALCO. (BTW, we out here KNOW WHO "Ned Ludd" was -- or wasn't!)


RE #5,612: Fine, Zak. There would seem to be some very RARE ones on that page. Is that the point of the post, or are a couple EXTINCT? Also, is there a DATE on the issue of The Automobile Journal?

 

Darn it. Couldn't get it to carry forth. I guess we're stuck with the OLD thread title. Drat.