What haapened when a Hot Rodder crammed the first small block into a Deuce?

there was a certain 'formula' to building a rod 'backwhen'. I installed a 56 sbc in a Model A, 'in 56'. I had no idea how to do it. But I soon found out that there was a certain 'formula' for V8s that was done. first you got a 32K member,wishbone,and axle assy [thru the rodders grapevine,' no hamb back then], then ,flathead motor mount biscuts,39 trans, 48 merc wheels,40 to 48 juice brakes,tube shocks big and little WW tires,hudson, or ford steering[wrecking yd] 49 merc, clutch,ford/chev adapt, plate.. bolt all that together, cut the firewall, and wire it 12volts. I used the stock A gas tank,rear end, and radiator!! It didnt overheat, stopped great, hauled ass and, and started everytime! Drove it everywhere.

 

oooh a deuce!! sorry! well it was a lot easier!!

 

Sorry to interrupt, but I'm new to this.

Could somebody please tell me where to get some Coop stickers that would fit a 2006 Chevy pickup?

Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/

 

After reading thru this thread, I don,t want to sound like a 'gold chainer' or whatever, just commenting on the general way they built them 'BAKWEN', [middle 50,s] and they built em' different in diff areas and states. It was a time where wasnt as much to work with, [cept more old parts]. My first cars were primered, and I wasnt the fastest guy around, but then I could beat most stockers.my buddies [296" flatty] duece rdstr could beat me. smokin the stockers ended for me, when a 57 chevy blew me doors off. I,ll be happy with WW,s and primer again when i get my duece goin, with 39 trans and all. mebbe a 283 this time?

 

"Period correct" is a STYLE. Look at the two cars below. Which goes faster? The new one. Which has "more" style? The old one has more old style. The new one has more new style.

There is a certain look, sound, and coolness with a flathead (or other old engine). "Old technology" is used because it has a certain style, not necessarly because it's faster. If you, "Skip all the 1950's restoration parts... Give it modern technology...", you loose some of the cool factor.

 

Here's a donk. It could be that I'm not cool eough to get it.

 

I think Chevrolet designed and built an engine to replace the Flathead. It was no coincidence that the sbc is physically similar to the Flathead. Chevrolet was absolutely trying to shed their stodgy image and go after the younger hipper Ford customer. I think the Chevrolet engine dept found that the same attributes that made the Flathead Ford legendary worked just the same for their new ohv V8. Light, simple, easy to work on and cheap to manufacture are examples of what I mean. For example the rocker shaft system on the Y- blocks and FE's was a better setup than the press in stud sbc's but you're never gonna hear praise for something that costs more to manufacture when you can get by with alot less. Chevrolet left making a better valvetrain up to the aftermarket. There was tons of exotic stuff available but in the end cheap simplicity won the day. That and a whole bunch of positive press from the auto rag mags who got plenty of advertising dollars from equipment manufacturers making parts for the sbc's. Let's see if I sell you a cam, valvesprings, intake and carb for a 283 to bump the power to around 300hp I (being the aftermarket equipment industry) stand to make a bunch more money than I would by suggesting you go pull a stock 300hp 352 Ford from a boneyard and stab that into your Deuce. Never mind a stock 350- 400hp 430MEL that were fairly common in the late `50's early `60's.

 

what happened you ask?

he wondered how long it would be before he could afford a hemi.

 

Not sure it fits all these things but this is my "interpretation" of a hot rod (doesn't quite have the "Soul" that I want it too yet:
Not Traditional - and I have been debating the choices that I made building this - mainly because of this board (toying with the idea to put a SBC in it now or whatever. But this thread and the one that it stemed from have - sent me back in the direction of build what you want and how you want to.

There was a comment made in the other thread that said something to the effect of "I don't care what you do to you car as long as it doesn't have an identiy crisis" - WTF? - I know this board is for spreading the gosple of traditional rods & kustoms, but if I want to use stuff from the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's - Current why shouldn't I make MY OWN STYLE - does it "fit it" No, And I know that and I know that nobody around here likes it - but I still do. Anyway:
'33
Full 2x4 frame (made on the garage floor and on a piece of 4x8x1/4 Plate - oh and it is straight and square within 1/16" - with no jig)
S.Axle, Haipins, Radials, Vega Box & Disc Brakes
396BBC - will have a Corvette Tri-Power on it soon/Auto/9"
All built by me "in a garage in the suburbs"

 

On a quick comparsion Guys that used the latest and greatest back then did it to go faster, where 95% of the new cars built with "New" motors today are done for esthetics, now if you take a 49 caddy motors with an intake and valve covers and put it next to a 2006 northstar motor which one would you pick.......In many people's eyes the older way of doing things just looks that much better, of course it always comes down to personal preference but older parts have much more art form and cooler American engineering to them, Simple but pretty is how most Early looking cars are described.

 

His dad said "Look what he's gone and done Ethyl, he'll kill his fool self"

 

I think the problem is reading comprehension. arent you looking for a site dedicated to street rods?

 

Here's my take on this. To me I'm just in this for the fun of building cool cars the way I want to make them. I don't give a damn if they're "traditional" or "period perfect", but it's true that if you put parts that don't look like they belong together it doesn't look "right".

I'm just a big kid at heart. Building hotrods is just an extension of being a 9 year old kid making cool model cars back in the '60s. As a kid my heroes were guys like Barris and Ed Roth because they made the coolest cars I'd ever seen. I couldn't afford to buy the magazines usually, but I'd read them until the drugstore owner kicked me out. A friend of mine had a collection of collector cards with pictures of cool custom cars and hot rods that I drooled over at recess. As a kid, those cars were the coolest things I'd ever seen. When I made model cars, I wanted to make them look cool using a lot of tricks and styles I'd seen in magazines of the times. The model cars often came with little catalogs of lots of other models with cool pictures of things like Willys gassers and stuff like that. A model car cost $1.75 or $2 back then, which was a lot of money to me, so I really took my time putting those cars together and on some of them I splurged and bought candy spray paint so I could do custom paint jobs on them. There was one model that I made from leftover pieces from a bunch of other models and some homemade plastic parts that I was the most proud of. It was a flat-top Model T business coupe body channeled over a homemade frame with a 409 Chevy motor with fuel injection stacks and fender well headers and some older Corvette chrome wheels. I painted the body silver and then painted clear purple over that. I thought it was real cool. So about 35 years later I'm doing the same kind of stuff but on real cars just because I'm still a big kid and all that stuff still seems just as cool to me now as it did when I was a kid. I don't know if it's just a nostalgic thing or if it's because these types of "traditional" hotrods are just plain intrinsically COOL.

 

What haapened when a Hot Rodder crammed the first small block into a Deuce?
He was the first and last person to do something creative with a small block Chevy.

Build 'em how you like 'em, I don't have to drive it.....

 

I dig on your truck, real nice, except for the wheels and tires, they kinda ruin it a little for me. Biasply's, white walls or not, would really compliment this car!!

 

Thanks,

It's still a work in progress. I don't plan on keeping the wheels and tires that are on it. I was getting it ready for a show and that's all I had/could scrounge up to get it there.

Not sure if I'm going to run Bias or not though (and definatly NO white walls). (it will have even more of an identity crisis then (BBC, Bias, Discs, VegaBox, Straight Axle )

-I'd like to shorten the wheel base a little to get the rear wheel centered better (poor planing on my part)
-Gas tank needs to be moved as well.

 

2 - Very good points. I wholeheartedly agree. Being influenced (by an era) is one thing..........I like certain era's I missed - surely they have influenced me - but not so much so as to crush any origionality.