what happened to all the old MOLDS and STAMPINGS

say like the MOLDS for old speed stuff?

or the PRESSES for OLD SHEET METAL at the FORD plants?
GRILLS..??

VISORS?
BODY PANELS?
COWLS?

etc etc,,,

any old PICTURES?

I'm kinda curious about the MACHINARY that was USED?

Did the places that CAST the old speed parts KEEP the MOLDS?

other then that...

Go drink some vodka and run in the snow..

germ

 

they wear them out and then sell them to ol' mexico... then we buy the sorta-fit parts from them for half price...

 

I heard a rumor about some stamping dies tucked away in NewYork... but I aint talkin'...

Sam.

 

In one old foundry a guy told me-"we burned the molds to heat the place"...
Ome old scrapper told mer "We cut up a hundred motorcucles a DAY during WWII"
Ford licenses the old presswork to restorer's companies.
And all the car companies sell or lease their presswork to Argentena, Germany, Brazil etc.
It's a consumer society man, nothin lasts forever
Drunk as a lemur on a West Texas Friday night

 

Germ's back????
Who's Christmas wish was it for him to post again?
...I can't remember,
but somebody's WISH came TRUE!

 

It was your wish, cause you needed me to confirm what you thought your older sister was lying about, and that was that HALF BREED MEXICANS have dicks AS LARGE as ZEBRAS......

you have to wonder if she drank the EGG NOG

I'm NATIVE to CALIFORNIA.
so move away

germ

 

I'm curious too cuz I saw some old Moon catalogs and they had shit for the W engines like finned timing covers etc. Wonder what happened to that stuff...

Travis

 

i wonder if marcus had any at one time... if he did they prob. got stolen

 

Zebra's, huh?
Is it STRIPED too?

When do you want your model A stuff?
I gotta have it all GONE by the 17th.....?
Let me know...?
Thanks!

 

If it was pre-WWII it probably got turned into a tank or a plane,or maybe even a bomb to drop on Hitler's ass. Also I have heard that they use to melt down the old molds to make new ones.
Tuck that was a good one,, maybe we should ask him how big zebra dicks get?

 

I think offenhouser (who ever owns em now) retained all there old molds or re-made some because i thought i seen you can special order all the old intakes again, but i could be remembering wrong.
I also thought i heard alot of ford molds were destroyed and recycled into new molds??

 

I remember reading somewhere that whoever supplied the wood for 49-51 Merc woodies had to use a 150 ton press to heat-press the outside doors on the wagons out of 1" or 1 1/2" plywood. The company needed that kind of pressure to form the compound curve on the door skin.

 

A few years ago when scrap prices were decent and my friend and I were junking cars, at the scrapyard I saw a crucible/mold that looked to be a 5 spoke rim but it was just the center,spoke area. Both pieces were there but only one was facing up. The refractory cement was chunked & gouged in places I know. I don't have a clue where they came from but stuff like that is still out there.
Just another unanswered question I guess.

Billy

 

Havent ya heard, OLD MOLDS never DIE, They just MOLD AWAY.

 

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I heard a rumor about some stamping dies tucked away in NewYork... but I aint talkin'...

Sam.

[/ QUOTE ]a friend of mine says he was out east and met someone that knew someone that had lots of the old dies like 30s ford stuff, told him his friend was full of shit, he said he thought so too, but says he saw them with his own eyes, i still think its BS but he was very adament, anythings possible i guess , but i woulda figures they were scraped for sure during ww-2

 

Dennis Carpenter buys them, I've seen them. Molds for all kinds of stuff.

 

they go to russia, comrade germ....

Zil or Packard???

packard was selling the dies to the reds since roosevelt made some kinda deal with em back during WWII....

im sure somewhere in siberia, there is probably a russian made model T clone running around with a hammer and sickle taillights, painted primer black, with cast iron 5 spokes made from old american dies, and powered by a russian diesel tank engine...

 

Hey Jack, next time you're down South gimme a holler and I'll show you some junk. Wayno
elmorodge@yahoo.com

 

I heard years ago that a company (I think it was called the V8 shop)had the stamping tools for the 34 grill, but they got fucked when they or someone tried stamping stainless steel,I don`t know if this is fact or fiction but I made calls all over the world when I was chasing a grill for my 34 about 20 years ago, and I heard it said more than once..It seems a firm in Canada used to buy up any 34 grills they could find(Timins or Timkens) I think they were called to put on a repro 34 roadster they used to make.

Does`nt Bob Drake have some gennie dies that he licences from Ford?

 

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I'm curious too cuz I saw some old Moon catalogs and they had shit for the W engines like finned timing covers etc. Wonder what happened to that stuff...

Travis

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Travis,
Moon still offered those valve covers the last I heard, and there no name too!

 

Along the same lines as this topic....there used to be an "Urban Legend" back in the late 70's I heard about. Seems when the 58 Chevies came out, a bunch of designers, and/or engineers from Chevy got so disgusted that they dropped the 57 Chevy, that they took the molds, and were building them in South Carolina, or Georgia, or somewhere. They would sell the cars as 'used cars' on car lots in the South. Seems they were doing this til about 1967, or so.
That's the version I had heard back in 78-79.

 

Lots of American automakers ended up selling their old tooling to plants in South America who used them for decades...that's why you see curious things like 62 Falcons with square headlights and cheesy plastic grilles registered as newer vehicles there!

But, for most old speed parts, I'd imagine that most of those toolings have been melted, scrapped, lost, damaged or forgotten about, unfortunately!

 

I work at a GM stamping plant in Pittsburgh. Lately we have bee getting rid of a lot of our dies. Around here they sell them to the scrap yards to be broken down and scraped.

 

An Edelbrock rep at a dragstrip show told me they left the obsolete molds in a building behind their place when the moved some years ago.
When they realized this and went back they discovered the new owners sent it all to a scrap dealer.

Any truth to this?

Ive been trying to get them interested in repopping the 573 Y Block intake but all I get is "they havent found enough interest to warrant it".

Given a cherry intake to work from what is involved in starting anew? Rough start up costs?

 

Classic Chevy International has displays of original tri-Chevy stamping dies, mostly for trim pieces.
These fuckers are unbelievably huge and heavy. I'm talking wall thicknesses of 12 inches and more. I can't imagine how huge the presses must be to sctuate these bastards.
Unfortunately they moved from Orlando to Titusville, their scratch and dent room was full of amazing stuff. I can't go for my weekly visits anymore.

 

There is a guy in Tulsa that has all the old Auburn molds. He is up in his 80's now and I have a friend that is trying to get us a shop crawl.....

 

a "typical" press for sheet metal work can be 200 to 400 ton capacity. hence the 12" thick walls on dies and tooling.

 

I toured Bob Drake's shop a couple of years ago. His dies are lagely made from good original parts using what they called a tracing mill. It's a two-headed Bridgeport - one head with a stylus to follow the contours of the part and the other head with a ball end mill to cut the cavity. This roughs in the shape before his toolmakers finish it off by hand. I believe most of his metal processing is done in California. All his molded rubber is done in a smelly room in the back of his shop in Grants Pass OR.

As I understand it, the Ford licensing gets you access to original Ford prints but not tooling. If you have only one tool, you could only license one company. It's easy to copy prints.

Drake's '34 grille is done in 11 or 14 hits, whereas Ford did it in one hit. Multiple hits gets him the opportunity for better quality and probably makes it easier to do stainless.

I'm not in the auto industry, but I'd think that few prewar dies survived the WWII scrap drives. That's a lot of steel to hang on to - each of Drake's '34 grille dies is the size of a refridgerator.

 

Yes, that 34 die was broken by a dumbass mistake. I know where it is sitting.

Offy still offers many of their old intakes, they do small runs as demand grows. I am sure if we had enough W motor interest and Tay Offenhauser has the molds, we could get any the old stuff done. Oh yeah, I am a dealer for em.

Not car related but Schwinn related. The original tooling for the Black Phantom ended up underwater,holding a dock down at the Schwinn familys mansion in Northern Wisconsin.

 

Yeah I know they have the valve covers... just wondered about the rest of the stuff. I'll have to dig up my old pictures and flyers. I even have one for old striping brushes??

Travis