What is your FAVORITE 4 cyl for a HotRod project? MPG-HP !

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heres the "4age" toyota motor i had the name wrong sorry. its 1.6 litre n/a motor with a stock supercharger kit avail from trd. or some of them made over in japan came with turbo. they allso sell side drafts for these. good little bad ass motor. stock hp is 135 with a 10.2:1 compression ratio. can handle up to 8psi of boost on stock internals.

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How do you hook those up for rear wheel drive? What transmission do you use?

For a long time I've been dreaming about using a Japanese 2.0 engine for Bonneville, but I just don't understand how I could get them to work with a traditional front-engine, rear-drive layout. If you have any tips, I'd definitely appreciate them.

--Matt

 

all those motors i talked about are rear wheel drive motors. u can buy them from japan importers with motor,trans,computer, and harness. the 4age goes for about 750 to 1000 for the whole shabang...

rotoreys= doritos in a pringles can!! who needs pistons and valves!

 

CHOPRODS:

Iwas there, sold the 454 that I was going to put into my '37 Chev, and instead, I putt a 250 6 in it....

 

I love the 22R in my Toyota pick-up......If I had one extra, I would use it in a small T project......

 

Don't forget about the Dodge 2.4L DOHC in the Neons....the heads are Hemispherical and have four vales per cylinder.....a friend races them and ports and polishes the heads for some impressive gains......my next choice in a four banger

 

Molloy.....that guys name was Gary [or was it Jim?] Anderson with the yellow crosley wagon. My brother and I had a looooong talk with him at DesMoines Goodguys. His dad won't ride in anymore..too scary! Goes sideways in 3rd gear.

 

The Quad4 is goin' into my mod. The mildest version made 150 HP from 138 cubes! A W41 model was rated at 190 at somewhere around 7000 rpm. Thwe head gasket problem is taken care of with ARP studs and a good gasket or O rings.
Even though I'm using one, I gotta say they are pricey things in the aftermarket.
The 2.3 liter ford is probably the smartest choice due to a huge aftermarket and a bunch of racing tech. It's dead simple to work on and makes a bunch of power. Unfortunatly, it is on the tall side.
The 4AGE toyota just flat rocks. Its very light, fwd versions can be done as rwd and they sound soooo good.
The 2.2 mopar mill is the lightest of the common big 4s and will out tourque maybe any of them. They came in rwd versions and I understand fwd units can be easily adapted to dakota trannies. I want to try that one some day. Turbo 2 versions can get over 300 hp without spending a bunch of $$$. Who knows how long they will last, though.
If you want a neon SRT mill, they come in PT Cruiser and mexican market Stratuses. They are not drilled for a bell housing at all. They need a plate on the flywheel end to bolt to any trans, so there is a natural item someone could make a few bucks on.
If the car these engines go into is too heavy or airodynamically challenged, they will work too hard to get decent milege.
Hack, I think your Vega powerd 49 will be less efficiant than the V6 would have been.
the 2.5 Celebrety usually used more fuel than a V6 car cause the throttle had to be kept wide open just to keep from getting run over.

 

The 2.4 turbo in the Neon SRT-4 (0-60 in 6 seconds, stock!) produces 215 horsepower and 245 lb-ft of torque. The same engine may is used in the PT Cruiser GT and may be in the Dodge Razor. quote from Allpar.com

 

Here's what I'm doing. It's great to see the PINTO motor get some love!

 

At the moment I'm playing with a Morris Minor to make into a cheap daily. It's running a little Datsun A series With Fiat front brakes etc etc.. I've been doing a little homework on these and the best I've found is about 110 kilowatts (about 150HP???) out of a A15 (1500) Thats with headwork,cam, 4 barrel and pipes. But with injection and somesort of forced induction I think it would be a real handfull.The car only weighs about 750 kilograms,a wheel base somewhere between 80-90inchs and go cart like steering 2.5 turns lock to lock.

 

Buddy of mine in High school had a mean little RX7. It was an 87 12A motor. He swaped out the FI for a Demon 650 carb, threw on a race header and built his own ignition system for it. In that setup it would eat 5.0's for breakfast. Later he straped a 75 shot to it and it got scary. The only thing I didn't like about it was the lack of torque, otherwise it was fun once it spun up. And like stated earlier, they suck gas like a BB around town.

I do like the idea of the Toyota engines if you were to go import. Deffinatly the best bang for the buck with all kinds of hop ups readily available.

 

BURTRIDO:

I love the Morris Minor....
Got any pixs?

 

The 4AGE (any of them) will hook up to any Toyota T50 transmission commonly available in any of the RWD Corollas. The best to get tho', is the T50 out of a '85-'87 Corolla GT-S.

BTW, that 2nd 4AGE is not carbs, it's a Japanese Domestic Market only (ok, they sold them in South Africa too) 20V 4AGE and it runs individual EFI throttle bodies. The fuel rail across the top gives it away. 160hp stock from a 1.6L 4-banger is pretty radical.

How do I know? I have one sitting in my garage ready to go in my Lotus Super Seven.

If anyone is interested in more info on the 4AGE or T50 PM me and I'll drop a pile on you.

-Sven

 

I'm kinda partial to the 2.3 ford. We turn ours between 8 and 9 grand all night long. We are getting between 200 and 300 hp out of them. With a few modifications that is. As far as gas mileage goes, I get around 1.5mpg. I'm run anywhere between 85 and 93 jets in a holley 500 and light it with 16 volts pushed through a MSD ignition.

I like the quad four too. They can turn 10 grand easy, but are illegal to run most places because of the extra valves and cam.

Here is a pic of my 2.3

 

SVEN:

Send me all the info you got, I'm interested!

Glenn (AHotRod)

 

I had a Quad 442, 90 model. It would keep up with, if not take stock 5 liters. I loved to hear it wind up, right up to the edge of the limiter...

I'd love to use one in a mod, but can they be retro'd with carbs and still run? Yes, I am that big of an idiot.

Jay

 

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I had a Quad 442, 90 model. It would keep up with, if not take stock 5 liters. I loved to hear it wind up, right up to the edge of the limiter...

I'd love to use one in a mod, but can they be retro'd with carbs and still run? Yes, I am that big of an idiot.

Jay

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Yes they can, there was an article in Street Rodder not o long ago talking about it. And when all dressed up they look like an Offy.

 

My FAVORITE 4 cyl for a hot rod HAS to be whatever is in Rusty's Anglia. I think he said its pushin 300 horses and getting 30 miles to the gal.!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!

Nick

 

Mild mitch nailed it!

Course, I ride a bicycle, or a motorcycle to work ususally, so gasoline for the V8 is a luxury item and not a necessity to me...

 

hahahaahahah so sam you say you hate rat rods but you love roach roads i see no differince and i got a job at HOLLYWOOD HOT RODS so my roadster maybe done sooner than i had hoped for + =

and ps you should be teaching your students instead of checking your hamb mail

 

AHOTROD! sorry none yet. it's in a million pieces. I want to do it with some traditional touches, but it's really for the wife and she wants to do a total update on it so I might just try and combine the two different styles. But it's has to be done on the cheap.

 

RocketJ2,
Yes the quad can be built to run with carbs and a dizzy. The ignition can get 'spensive with Quad 4 rods timing chain cover, but they make it easy.
I picked up a belt drive mag for a 4 cylinder 5000 rpm 2 stroke boat engine. Should I decide to go that route, it may simplify the situation.It seems to be easier to go radical without the factory controls due to lack of aftermarket intrest in the cars the Quad came in.

 

here's my pinto...i yanked it to replace with a built flathead...i drove the pinto for years and loved it,but it doesn't fit the look

 

Wow, I'd never have guessed that cornfieldrodder... I swear that the Quad4 is a really underrated engine. Maybe because the cars it came in were such crap.
Also, what trans bellhousing pattern does it have? Will it fit into say, an S10 where a Tech4 was? Or is it bastard mount time again?

Jay

 

There is an outfit called www.quad4rods.com that made an intake and the other things necessary but their site did not come up a minute ago. Another is www.mantapart.com

 

Jay,
The bell housing for rear drive is super custom expensive aluuuminium. Mine came from Quad4Rods at the cost of about $440.00 to my door. It comes with a throwout bearing spacer for a hydraulic late Camaro style unit. The quality of this one is very good!
Manapart sells one too I dunno about the spacer, though. Used bells get snatched up by Manapart if they go on Ebay. Some folks on the quad forum claim they pay over their retail to keep them out of the market. That would be too wierd
The Quad does require warm-up before getting on it! The Cylinder head gasket problem is similar to old Detroit Deisel situation. If one doesn't let everything expand, there is insufficiant clamping force to keep the gasket from getting munged up. Then you can drive it like you slammed your finger in the door when you got in though!

 

Cool. I'll have to keep that in mind...

Jay

 

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'Erm fellas, strictly speaking, a rotary isn't a 4 cylinder engine.

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I've seen ads calling them 4 cylinder engines.
Mostly because the sales dipshits see four plugs...

 

For raw, cheap, easy power, I'd use either a Mitsubishi 4G63 (2.0L Turbo from the 90s Eclipse styled cars)- very easy to get 300-400 HP out of them with some minor bolt on stuff.
Second choice would be the 2.2 or 2.5L turbo motors from the 80s Dodge vehicles.

 

YEA, the Mitsu 4G63T can really hall-ass.