History What to do about my 727 Torqueflite..........a dilemma.

Ah .............your right again Steve. Got a couple of thousand you can lend me?

 

If you are going to rebuild this trans again and are not sure just exactly what type or brand valve body you have, its best to purchase a new one. I would recommend Cheetah.

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Thanks JPT (Bill) for this tip. I checked out their web page and really like what I see there. They do have the manual valve body I want, (no kick down, passing gear and what ever else its called) needed they say. I'm going to give this one last college try tomorrow with this shop by calling them and telling them I'm ordering up a Cheetah manual valve body.
manual body and they can install it. I'll see how well that goes down with him and then decide for sure my action taken.

I just need to say a very large thanks for all that have left info here for me. I appreciate it beyond just a "thank you".

 

Just thinking out load, are the full manual valve body's really designed for street use if it doesn't have the throttle pressure valve working?

 

I never considered it before you mentioned it, but your part about the larceny is so true. I can personally recall three instances where transmission shops have flat out screwed me or someone directly related to me. Two them are from the same shithole shop in my home county. I’m actually ASE certified in automatic transmissions, but will not open one up. I haven’t rebuilt one since tech school and don’t have a good place to rebuild one. I sure understand Larry’s pain, I’ve been there myself. My solution to failed automatics has been to install a manual transmission, but I also understand that’s not for everyone either.


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Thanks JPT (Bill) for this tip. I checked out their web page and really like what I see there. They do have the manual valve body I want, (no kick down, passing gear and what ever else its called) needed they say. I'm going to give this one last college try tomorrow with this shop by calling them and telling them I'm ordering up a Cheetah manual valve body.
manual body and they can install it. I'll see how well that goes down with him and then decide for sure my action taken.

I just need to say a very large thanks for all that have left info here for me. I appreciate it beyond just a "thank you".
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You have got to be kidding? Are you really going to let this guy still do your work? He's already given you the good old 'reach around', then followed that with a good fucking. Are you looking for a kiss too?
I can see this happening....
Transmission failure... no warranty.... owner supplied parts. Bend over again....

 

You have got to be kidding? Are you really going to let this guy still do your work? He's already given you the good old 'reach around', then followed that with a good fucking. Are you looking for a kiss too?
I can see this happening....
Transmission failure... no warranty.... owner supplied parts. Bend over again....[/QUOTE]
Maybe he is a masochist! Some like the pain, I guess.

 

I agree with the guy above.

I think I would just go and get your trans back, get all the parts including the torque converter and anything else he took off of it. There is no a chance in this world I'd give this guy another shot at screwing me.

If you cart more parts to him, you open the door for another $2400 rebuild, just like the last one that failed. This fool can't even figure out how to order off the shelf generic parts, or he doesn't want to deal with you at all and that is how he is trying to get rid of you. You have no idea if he would actually install the parts you take to him.

Pick up your trans, and take it to someone that will guarantee their work. Gene

 

If it was my car i would just put a stock rebuild back in it,the 3 piece kickdown linkage is real easy to adjust,it has alignment holes in the levers that hold the rods.Are you going to be doing any 8000 RPM launches? these trannys are plenty strong for what you are doing.The more that it is modified the more risk of a failure,especially with so many changes.I have driven thousands of miles with those trannys,they are almost bullet proof,as long as you keep them full of fluid. Harvey

 

For non-low band apply valve bodies (meaning most MVBs) there is the opportunity to roll the sprag and trans goes boom. I put a bolt in super sprag in mine - I think it's actually a ford part - but could never get the potential for disaster off my mind so I bought a Coan LBA RMVB unit for it.

 

What was your warranty on this? Taking to small claims court probably won't do any good, being you installed after rebuilt. This guy just doesn't want to mess with it, go get it and don't pay any more. If he wants to charge you then them him you will take him to small claims court, and if he says go ahead then do it. my guess is he will be happy to just get ride of the whole deal. Sounds like this guy might not know a lot about the older trans, but $2100 was way to much to pay for that. I own my own Automotive business and have to pick and chose would I send work to as not too many shops can do older cars. I wish you Luck!

 

The Slant 6 does indeed use a different bellhousing pattern, not interchangeable with anything.

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I was only referring to the shop being able to locate parts and the seeming run around your getting. I've had that shop rebuild my 700r4 for an off topic rig 80k miles & 16 years ago.
I've bought parts for the few transmissions I've rebuilt from them. For over 20 years they did all the trans rebuilds for my brother when he had the Airport Texaco. They've been a staple shop around here for a long time, what's happening to you just seems out of character there.

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Thank you JB I've known the shop for years also, and have always heard wonderful words about Dave and his Dad before him. Twenty five years ago I took my x-wife's '60 T bird to them, they did an outstanding job.
What your saying here is why he got the job the first time and why I'm reluctant to just up and pull out. I've always considered ST trans. and institution in south king county. But after going on 13 weeks and him saying he cant find parts, well I've got to take action of some kind.
Truth is at my age and limited knowledge of transmissions in general, making a mistake in, (it is entirely possible he is telling the truth), just getting the thing back would be a bigger mistake. Thus the word "dilemma" in my title. I have done this in other instances, with other things not related to cars, and lived to regret doing so.

"what's happening to you just seems out of character there", you said and I agree with you JB,
(that sentence included here for all those wondering what kind of a fool I am) &
(( that is not a put down of your questions and suggestions guys, just trying to let you know why I'm so perplexed as to what to do and every one's advise is respected and helps.))

 

"what's happening to you just seems out of character there", you said and I agree with you JB,
(that sentence included here for all those wondering what kind of a fool I am) &
(( that is not a put down of your questions and suggestions guys, just trying to let you know why I'm so perplexed as to what to do and every one's advise is respected and helps.)

That was meaning I'm surprised at what is happening to you there, it SUCKS! It seems you have done what what you could to get it fixed, and now twice! Any one of us would not be happy with the outcome so far.

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1:40, Wednesday 11/4/20 PMT, Pacific Mountain Time, (west coast).
Let this go to rest.
I just returned home from the shop where the owner and I had a half hour talk on what has taken place up to now, and will continue. After this talk with seeing first had the tranny, I am satisfied that he is doing the right job, with the right parts with only one yet to come into the shop, at which time this part will only take 3o minuets to install and I can have it back. And yes he understood my concerns of over 13 weeks, and while not apologizing, did say that amount of time would be concerning to him also if he were in my place. So I accept him at his word. I told him something he was not aware of and he told me issues that he has faced that make it sometimes hard for even him to get done when getting parts.
He was not aware that my trans was manual shift and was surprised to hear that. Guess the trans mechanic failed to mention that the first time around. This was brought to light when he said he wanted to go over the adjustments we make to the the passing gear linkage. He still wants to check line pressure how ever.
His shop includes 8 bays,all of which are double, one behind the other and all bays are full today. There are as many cars parked and awaiting there turn on the lifts also. His Dad came from Wichita in '52 started and built the shop and it still stands in the same spot 68 years later, all refreshed and modern.
I'm not in the least bit sorry of my post on this, but do make amends, (make minor changes in {a text} in order to make it fairer, more accurate, or more up-to-date.) to the shop for my rush to judgement on possible wrong doing.

 

Well done Larry. I sure hope things are good for you and you can “restart” enjoying the ride!

 

Thank you for the clarification and the outcome.


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Thank you.

 

Thanks for the new update. Hopefully not much longer now.

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x2 on Pat Blais, he knows 727s very well

Yes, the year of production makes a very big difference when replacing parts or seals. Pre-71 is different than post-71 when it comes to pump & stator support parts. Drums must match those as well. 1975 had a spline change affecting planetary gearset interchangeability. Later units had different thrust washer design. While parts of a given year typically interchange, not all are of the same torque capacity. Trucks and heavy vehicles with large engines got better parts than the lighter cars with smaller engines (to save cost). Its important to know the year changes and exactly what year the trans parts are, to obtain correct replacement parts. I recently learned (the hard way) that a manual valve body is not always compatible with the early rear clutch belleville spring, and smoked a set of those clutches recently. Most manual valve body 727 transmissions typically do not need throttle pressure linkage, but the stock valve body ABSOLUTELY MUST have that linkage functional and correct to prevent low line pressure, which will burn the clutches and bands. Double check and be sure before making any assumptions.

I was going to bring this up, 73RR beat me to it! Misalignment due to an adapter issue could certainly damage the pump / bushing/stator support, etc. Check the runout with the trans case installed onto the adapter to ensure alignment is within allowable limits. Misalignment will kill good parts, no doubt about that. Ask to see or photograph the damaged parts, to understand the root cause of part failure. When we made the 354/727 adapter for my rail, I indicated it to ensure it was concentric, and then we doweled it once it was in the right place.

Time to find someone who knows the 727 better then, if he does not know what is needed IMHO. Parts are out there yet. There are still people out there that know the 727, as it (or variants of it) was produced from 1962 until the early 2000's (40+ years).

 

I do not know Pat Blais, and your right I do need to. Do you know how get in contact with him?

 

Maybe he's talking about this guy?
Permanently closed...

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JB your just to good to me, thanks!!!!!!!
Looks like he is Permanently closed though.

 

It's just tough to go through what you're going through with this, you deserve to get your cool hot rod back on the road! We do get a few sunny days in the NW over the winter to drive'em!

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Although I haven't talked with Pat for quite awhile a quick browser search still shows...
Pat Blais Transmissions - Seattle, WA 98125 - (206)365-1966 ...

As to the permanently closed deal, if you look up my company it will say the same thing because it still has a link to an address I had over 20 years ago.....fu***king yahoo/google

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Thaank RR, I'll give it a shot.

 

I went to work years ago at a trans shop that at the time also had a lot and shop full of cars. I thought, man this place rocks some transmissions out of here. Then I found out they were all comebacks. I spent my first month there fixing comebacks. Ugh!


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I think I had heard that he retired.

 

So after all this bs you are going to piss on his electric fence again?