But 50 percent or more of the car, trucks and motorcycle I been looking at lately have NO ***LES. Anyone else notice this?
you have to keep in mind. - some states do not require ***les for cars **** years and older. - cars dragged out of fields and barns have been there for years and the kids/grandkids of the person that "owns" it who is now 6' deep underground have no idea where the ***le for that old pile of rust is if you don't want a car without a ***le and the potential h***le in dealing with it, wait for one with a ***le and have fun with it.
yeah, i know the feeling... i've got a 62 chevy pu that's gonna be a trailer pretty soon cuz of the no ***le thing.... i'm not too interested in a 150-200 dollar ***le for it....unless there's a parts track attached
there's a guy in texas that has a lot full of cars and box full of ***les... he doesn't care if you buy the whole thing cause he figures he can sell the car for **x dollars AND sell the ***le for **x dollars..
I'm talking about my state PA. If there is no ***le it next to impossible to get them Register. I bought a bike that had no ***le and I can not get it ***led. I had to walk away from alot of nice stuff because of No ***les. If its from another state and it needs a ***le or Transferable registration. I have a bike from Arizona and the state told me I need a ***le for it. I have a notarized bill of sale but they will accept it. Maybe it is easier in other states, but not in this one.
No ***les is part and parcel of the old car hobby. It may sound obvious but don't buy a car without a ***le if you can't get it registered without one in your state. Sure it cuts down on potential projects but that's the way it goes.
I bought it online you can guess the site. The person I bought if from said he had all of the paper work. after i got it all I had was a notarized bill of sale. Now I ask if it has a ***le or transferable registration.
I just heard today about the Lexus 32' Roadster. It's a high dollar rod, build by a rod shop up north (Frisco I believe) with all Lexus parts. Motor, trans and rear end. Rumor is it cost between $350-$450K. Heard Toyota wanted it registered as a 32'. Car was taken to Nebraska, registered and brought back to Calif to get Calif registration. Wonder if they told Nebraska how much that car was?
My last 3 projects didn't have ***les. 2 of the 3 were X race cars. I've lived in Florida and Arizona and the NY registrations have worked for me. I dont know how much longer before those dry up though.
you have to ask specifically about it before you buy. If not having one keeps you from buying fine. Cars without ***les are far cheaper than with...
Georgia didn't give the owners of NEW cars a ***le until well into the '60s. Bill of sale only, even from the local dealership. Today, cars and trucks 20 years old or older only need a bill of sale to be registered. To transfer out of state, Georgia's DMV has to do a background check on the car and then send a form to the new state. -Brad
Move to New York. You can get a clean registration (Note that's REGISTRATON, not ***le) in NY with 2 DMV forms and the right proof of VIN and ownership. You don't even need to get them notarized. My '50 Chevy I transferred plates to using those forms a couple years ago. So easy it's not worth the effort to swap tags or anything. New York does not ***le cars 1972 and older. Some guys in PA have no trouble getting ***les on NY stuff - it all depends on where you go, I guess. Or use Broadway ***le. What's $150 when you're registering a car these days?
WHich states do not require ***les for old cars. I have been told NY is one that does not issue a ***le. makes it tougher to sell to an out of stater. what others
***les get lost, and with most old cars the people just don't want to mess with geting one, they sell them and then sold agian. Most of the cars and truck i buy most don't ahve ***le comming off farms and such and i don't see aproblem, i stay away from 1970+ rigs with no ***les, but the old ones a ***le with them is a nice plus but not that big of a deal to me unless its a runner driver.
New Hampshire won't issue ***les on old cars either, caused a bunch of h***le when moving away with a couple legally registered rides which originally had ***les surrendered to NH in the first place! But in the end, printed a form off NH's website, went to my new state's "disbelieving" DMV, they called a clerk in some small NH town to verify it, then created ***les on the spot for 2 cars and a motorcycle. Really though, most any state will issue a new ***le and VIN, you just gotta jump thru the hoops, pay a couple hundred in fees, have it inspected, and deal with waiting periods and mailed out paperwork. All in your level of dedication and willingness to have a rebuilders ***le.
A lot of good advise here. We've hashed this out many times and it all boils down to, don't buy it if it doesn't have a ***le. If you have it you may not want to proceed with the build until you figure out what to do. Your going to have to jump through a lot of hoops to get it done. You need to do a lot of research at this point. good luck.
Another thing to be very aware of is MAKE SURE the ***le, bill of sale, brown paper bag with scribbling on it, has the CORRECT full description of the car or truck on it, that is: Make (Ford, Chevy, International, etc) Model (not Fairlane or Malibu,but body style like 2door, 4door, pickup, coupe, and so on) Year (1909, 1932, 1954 etc) AND THE ALL IMPORTANT Vehicle Identification Number (VIN), that may be the engine number(stamped into the block), body number(usually on a tag on the door post, firewall, glovebox door, floor) or ch***is number(stamped into the frame rail). Anytime a vehicle is transferred from State to State a physical check of the VIN is usually required by the receiving State to be performed by a State authorized agent or police officer. Bills of Sale are best with Notary Public stamps and, in lieu of that, at least 2 witnesses signatures with printed names, addresses and phone numbers.
Indiana was pretty easy.... Needed bill of sale, VIN inspection form signed by a cop, and a state ***le search done on the VIN. With those three pieces of paper and $45, I had a ***le in hand in about 4 weeks.
And your state requires one, and makes it a h***le to get one, or you just don't want to be bothered in states where it's not hard to do.
They probably didn't tell us nebraskans ****! but who cares nebraska blows, i couldn't get my truck ***led here, and didn't want to pay $200 for a ***le so i'm shippin' her off to the s**** yard, I didn't pay a dime for it though, didn't even have to take it to my house, it was delivered. So i'm not that bent out of shape, just sad to see her go. But i just got a model A that i don't need a ***le for, just the notorized bill of sale, which i got. so it's not so bad after all!
Two weeks ago I went to the local Texas County Tax office with a ***le and bill of sale from Arkansas. Twenty minutes and $63.50 later I had a ***le for my 46. The ***le came from an arkansas vendor and I had a jeweler make me an ID plate that I riveted on the door sill. Didn't need to because the clerk looked at the paperwork and asked if the ID number was on the car anywhere. I told her about the tag on the door sill and that was all she needed. Mostly depends on the clerk you draw at the time you go in.
I kinda thought about doing the same thing with a '37 Chevy/Mix of parts that will eventually get built. Just get any 30's or 40's light duty truck ***le with a vin# on it, dosn't matter what year or make, get one of those little br*** tags made (locally) and just rivit it on the firewall.
It's very difficult to get a non ***led car licensed in La. too. It took a year and a half for me to get the last one I bought without a ***led registered. I've p***ed on several nice cars that didn't have ***les due to the h***le. I do have a trick that has let me skip the physical inspection in the past though. In La. you have to register all cars within 30 days of purchase. It does not matter if they are projects or not, but you are suppose to get them on the books. If you do not do this, there will be a penalty charge when you do go to register the car. So, I go get the car registered but I tell them the car is not ready for tags as it needs some work. You do not need a physical inspection just to register the car. The registration is then put in my name. I go back some time later and say that I would like to get tags for my car (already registered in my name) and I show proof of insurance and they just give me the tags. I've done this successfully several times. Your milage may vary. Doc.
***lle conveys ownership with cars and real estate. the only things you have ***le to.you would not buy a house with out ***le insurance. would you buy a house on a bill of sale. i dont think so. any how the h***le of getting a ***le varys from state to state so buyer do your home work.
I, too, have a question about a no-***le car. The last and only car I had to re-***le was a junk-yard car so I wasnt worried about a PO claiming it as his/her own after I forked over so many dollars. Although, the car I have my eyes on now is a decent, sound, running desirable (to some) '60s car. Paying up to $200 to a ***le company for a new ***le isnt too big of a deal ONLY IF that $200 guarantees the PO cannot claim the car without compensating me what I payed for the car. In texas, do I run the risk of the last registered owner, be it 25 years ago, claiming the car as his and he being able to simply take it away from me after I, honestly, bought the vehicle? Or is this what a company like Broadway ***le protects against?
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