When is fake ok ????

My thoughts.

Olds valve covers on SBC -> Okay if the whole deal is still presented as a Chevrolet engine (think Stovebolt blue with a '51 Caddy aircleaner or 2x2 Strombergs), not okay if you're pretending it's an Olds.

fake hemi's -> Never okay.

fake hilborn -> Okay if it's an EFI conversion, not okay if it's hiding a carb.

fake quick change -> I'm not even a fan of real QCs, so I don't understand faking one.

fake buick brakes -> I actually don't mind disc brakes! I'd just run them with a set of those finned caliper covers like Hatch has on his roadster. Reminds me of WWII airplanes and would look great with red "airplane" shocks.

multi carbs with them blocked off under the carb -> Not okay with me. If you can't tune that many carbs, don't run that many carbs. A 2x2 or 3x2 setup looks much cooler to me than 6x2 or a Man-a-Fre or that kind of thing anyway.

blowers with no guts -> How did that make the okay list? BOOO!

cheater slicks -> There's nothing "fake" about cheater slicks. They were a way to keep the Royal Oak police (a**** others) from giving you a ticket every time you cruised Woodward, whilest still getting traction.

vintage gauges that are not hooked up -> People do this? Why?

g***er 4dr cars -> There's nothing wrong with a four-door, but they make better sleepers, customs or cruisers than nose-up g***ers. The exception being some of the little British cars.

 

When you can convince everyone (or nearly everyone) that your a guru on just about any subject that comes along and back up the illusion with "borrowed" information. After this little deception your allowed to cut just about anyone to shreds who has reached any measure of prominence in the field we all hold dear. In other words it's all in HOW you present the fake always keeping in mind P. T. Barnums observation. "there's a ****er born every minute"

Frank

 

That's the beauty of tradition--we each live in our own fake little 1952 or 1961 universes, and everyone else is at least a little bit wrong and ripe for destruction! HAMB is just a virtual area containing a lot of nutcases whose fake universes overlap here and there...

 

You have a way with words Bruce, there's the answer to this entire thread, period.

 

Convert it if you want, its still injection.

It doesn't really become fake until you lie about it. When you hit the street telling everyone you're running hilborn injection when in reality its a converted hilborn unit then its a fake. On the other hand when you tell everyone its a converted hilborn unit, you're telling what it is. Its still injection, computer controlled instead of mechanicle with Hilborn throttle bosies. All the stacks on a Hilborn unit are are throttle bodies anyway.

On the otherhand a totally fake hilborn unit fot an air cleaner or even a gutted blower for a carb cover, that's just freakin' dumb. Ranks right up there with those phoney glue on plastic louvres that JC Whittney used to sell.

 

ruffles have ridges...****s don't have ridges...(i remember asking myself that question one night, upon discovering my first good **** job)

 

fake? if you can touch them - they're real!!!!!

 

who cares as long as I get off!

Hey eddie...did I leave any of that fake braided hose **** on the batfink? haha Sorry about the eyes man!

 

i agree with tim; this is the total answer to the total question.

thanx bruce. you do have a way of handlin' the king's english...

 

So I have to lose the faux quick-change under my street-legal sprint car ? I'm thinkin' that somebody peering under the tail would expect to see such a unit there.

 

I think what's important is the look or theme that YOU are after for YOUR car, and do whatever YOU want to accomplish that. If it's done clean and right, YOUR car will look and run good. **** what everybody else thinks. We are just having fun with hotrods that we create anyways, that's what matters. The only people I don't like are the "store-bought" guys who purchased a car already done and don't personallize it or do anything but put gas in it. Just my .02........

 

If anyone is worred about this "Fake" thing they shouldn't be into this kind of car in the first place (hot rods ,customs or modified cars in general). Things like Olds valve covers on SBC, fake Buick brake drums over disc brakes or fake quick change rear ends are no different than putting a Hemi in a Willys or sitting a model A on 32 rails or building a Super Sport clone. The thing is like someone else said is to build your car the way you want it and HAVE FUN WITH IT. So if "Fake" parts are a concern maybe you need to be on the "Restorer" side of this hobby where everything is kept stock. That's what I'm thinkin.

 

there is a Huge diffrence between swaping frames or motors campared to misrepresenting some thing like a 9" rear with a bolt on quick change cover

putting a hemi in is real putting hemi valve covers on a sbc is fake

if some one finds all the parts to make a plain jane car an SS it is a clone if it has the emblems and stripes then it is a fake

 

Hiding a disc brake in a Buick drum, bogus or otherwise, is faking it. Up grading the processor and sensors on your fuel injection from ****og (mechanical) to digital (electronic) and doing the same to the injectors themselves is not. Completely hiding the fact you've done so (as opposed to cleaning up the appearance by cleaning up the details and neatly packaging the componets) is.
For my money, if it isn't real by form and/or function, I don't want it on my car!
Right after the Mooneyes picnic a particular car attending garnered a lot of attention and notoriety in various threads here because;
1. Although the motor would run, it was painfully obvious to anyone who saw the car it was not a usable piece and certainly would not be safe or legal to use as an automobile, on the street or in a compe***ion for looks and/or performance.
2. Many things on it were fake or at the very least half heartedly trying to look like something they weren't (the faked and incomplete multiple carbs over a 4bbl come to mind).
3. The build quality was questionable at best.
4. The thing was trailered in and out of the event and indeed it appeared to be a major accomplishment to even get it off and on the trailer.
5. You might say this car was the epitome of faking it.
It's pretty sad when you find someone putting together (can we say cobble together) something so faked it's obvious they've missed the point of doing it in the first place.
I feel the same way about any one thing or everything I might do to or with a car. This is true whether I'm trying to emulate a car or time period from the past or creating something totally my own that revels in all the latest technologies.
That said, how much or if you "fake" anything to do with your car is totally between you and your conscience and what you feel is acceptable.
I'll get off my soapbox now.

 

Correct, although the Thames were called Fordsons overseas. The Anglia (E494A) was stripped down and rebadged as the Popular (103E) in Oct 53 when the new Anglia (100E) was introduced.

CC

 

Hey Twofosho, the "thing" you are refering to was NOT a fake. It is a true doublethrowdown, authentic Piece of ****e. The people who built are obviously having a great laff at the expense of us. It was in the Grand National Roadster Show last weekend. I guess it could be considered a fake because like a fake turd or fake vomit, the guy could pick it up and place it where it can disgust and repluse people over and over again. But the makes it a real fake as opposed to a fake fake.

Does this make any sense? I had a bit of wine with din din and a rum and cola after, so I'm a bit cloudy…

chili

 

Q: When is fake OK?

A: When it makes the owner happy.

If you want to build a foor door g***er with olds valve covers on a hemi, full fendered on one side and fenderless on the other, with fake hilborns inside of an emptry blower, and your girlfriend riding shotgun sporting dummy-spots on her fake ****s, more power to you. It doesn't concern me.

 

Chicks with ****s.....

NOT OK

 

chicks with ****s
NOT OK
…now that's funny!

 

HAA!!!

nice.

 

What a bunch of "Girly Men". Go work on your cars!

 

FAKE RUST....not OK

RUST .....still not OK

put all that money into a rod and rust it up to look cool...I think it looks like ****! the reason they looked like that back then was because they were unfinished! they didnt walk around with the mentality that they are cooler than you are because their rod has more rust!...You have more money than they did back then.....PAINT THE MOTHER F@#$ER!..I dont care if you paint it flat black and put red and white stripes on it...its gotta look better than a rust bucket! You need a tet**** shot to go to some of these car shows nowa days.....rust happens! but when you are making it happen on purpose...thats the dumbest thing i ever heard or saw....

rust was there till you got the body work finished.....then came primer(flat paint job) until you could afford a nice paint job....kandy or flake or whatever your flavor was... see the progression? spraying **** on your car to make it rust is not progression!!!! But then if you have someone airbrush rust on your car you need to be clobber-jawed.. put some sand in some bondo and airbrush it red to look like cancer in a quarter panel? you gotta be ****tin me!

ok sorry for ramblin on here...have a good day and remember...be different ...like all the other kids...

 

There`s a true hotrodder! Amen brother!

 

Actually putting a hemi in a Willys makes it a Hot Rod, putting a quicky cover on a 9" Ford makes it a sham.

here's the deal, all Hot rods are imposters in one fashion or another, there was never an A V/8 built for sale by Henry. A model T never came with a blown 392. So in that sense especially if you find a way to really hide it like say a Morris minor with a 327 full sheet metal and dog dish hubcaps, then in reality its a wolf in sheeps clothing, or an imposter.

On the other hand makeing a fake hot rod, trying to make it look all hopped up when in reality, what you have is a sheep in wolf's clothing. Not a Hot rod at all, a slap in the face to anyone who ever in thier life or in the history of the sport tried to hop one up.

Puer and simple hot rodding is trying to make one perform better, not just make it look like it performs better.

Get real, if it aint a hot rod don't call it a hot rod.

 

we've been threw this now for two days.Every thing is fake,because we modifie the **** out of everything.Thats what we do.WE chop, cut, customize,and modifie our cars.With out FAKE all our cars would look the same.Fake is in the eye of the beholder anyway.so fake must be good.we all have our little fake list of **** we dont like. now go biuld some f-in cars

 

fake ***ties are ok. how about sidewalk commandos (greasers without rods)?

 

Fake is OK when you're lookin' at ****s and when you're on the receiving end of a hand grenade.

 

Everybody take those Rodlites, Real Wheels, Meheliks, ETs, and even aluminum Halibrands off.... they're not magnesium Halibrand Sprints, so they're fake!

 

There were a few National Record Holding 4 Door G***ers !!!! But no such animal as a fenderless g***er, Late 60's g***ers , would remove the front tilt clip. and could run another cl*** as an altered ! look at some real pictures from the late 50's to 60's
Jack