Wide 5 drums on F1* breaks

Will my Wide 5 rims fit on F1 brakes? [yes ive already searched and found 1 thread], but my first question is,
1. are these even F1 brakes?


2. will they work with my spindles and drum



3. do i have to modify the wheel bearing?

thanks for looking

 

Since you have all the parts at hand, have your good looking helper there put them together and see how they line up.

 

Even she knows they are standard 46-48 passenger car backing plates...

Im fairly positive all that will bolt together no modifications required!

F1 backing plates are 11 inch, not 12, so if you did have f1s, they wouldnt work.

 

The chick looks hot. Wanna sell her?

 

Agree with lowsquire.
In addition ,F1 brakes are Bendix,self energizing type.

 

You will need '37-39 drums...'36 fronts won't work.

 

ok. so im getting mixed answers.
1. So according to "lowsquire", they are standard 46-48 passenger car backing plates and not "F1". correct?

2. Bruce states: "You will need '37-39 drums...'36 fronts won't work." what is the difference and why wont my Wide 5 drums work? is it the pad surface etc?

3. some say my set up will work.
this i my first build, so i mnot too familiar w/ all the parts and their pairings.

thanks guys! heres a lil treat for your time

 

They may be '48 F-1 brakes. But in '49 the F-1's were different brakes.

Buy some '28-'48 bearings and put them together. Then you will know for sure. I can't tell a '36 drum from a '37 by just looking.

 

ill post a pics of the drum that came witht these brakes. maybe that will help identify them

 

yes, the `36 drums will not work...but as alchemy also said , i can't really identify them. i believe part of the reason is the spacing between the bearings. you need `37-`39 drums , maybe someone will explain the differences

 

'36 fronts are offset too far and will not clear the backing plate by a fairly large dimension. '36 rears and all '37-9 will fit the '46-8 brakes and the spindles, which I believe are also '46-8.
If you install the brakes on a spindle and drop on a 1936 front drum, the drum will bottom out long before the spindle threads become visible through the center hole.

 

Here's a thread I started on 36 drums and it give several answers WHY they can't be used.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299669&highlight=wide+five+drums

 

"ill post a pics of the drum that came witht these brakes..."
We don't need any pictures of a brakedrum. We need to see more pictures of your friends.

 

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Well.... someone had to say it. It's always "the word" when it comes from Bruce's keyboard.

 

well guys, i just want to reward you for helping me out on my question. nothing wrong w/treats. eeey Scooter, youre a good cat bro. I dont care what they say about you

 

so im assuming these are the correct drums based on the center section. am I correct?

 

Those rusty drums above the chick above, do appear to be 36 drums, but it's hard to tell witout a side shot. The fins will be taller/deaper than the fins that are on 37-39 drums, if they have the fins at all. (some 37-39 drums do not have fins)

 

These are from my other thread. They are the '36 drums...







Backspacing from the edge of the drum is about 1-7/8"



Was I supposed to include a picture of a scrawny, half-naked chick after these pictures?

This is a weird thread...

 

ok. so if i get the correct drum (37-39), my breaks should be ok? i wouldnt have to modify the bearings then huh?

 

I went back and reviewed the scootermcrad thread, studied this one, and came up with these conclusions and questions;

The pictures in post #1 show Ford style backings plates. If the '48 F 1 used 12" Bendix brakes (like Lincoln), these are not them.

The fins on the drums in post #16 look far more like my '36 ones (from memory without going out back and digging them out).

The drum in post #1 looks more like the ones said to be Lincoln in the scootermcrad thread than my 36 Ford ones.

Neither thread answers this question definitively. Will 46 to 48 Lincoln backing plates work with '36 Ford drums and spindles to convert to hydraulic Bendix style brakes, given the appropriate shoes, hardware, and possible minor spacing?

 

The drum in the first post with the ribs (said Lincoln drum, in the other thread) is exactly the same as the 37 Truck drums I have. May or may not be lincoln. Or maybe they're actually the same.

The 36 drums would have to have a VERY deep backing plate to make the drums work, based on the measurements and feedback from the other thread. Doin't know what stock 46-48 backing plates look like, nor am I sure what year lincolns are actually replicated by the MT, but I have MT Lincoln brakes and they work just fine with the 37-39 drums.

I have no idea what the brakes are in the fist post of this thread.

 

'48 F-1 used 11" Bendix. '42-7 commercials used 12" Lockheed.
I think someone in the earlier thread posted that he had used the late Lincoln brakes on '36 spindles. Those brakes are deep...I would track him down and ask about any work on steering arms, etc.
Do not attempt to sort drums just by ribs and look of hub...Ford used several suppliers and made some changes during the production runs of the two groups as well. Look in the '35-6 and '38-9, and probably the forthcoming 1937, resto books from the V8 club if you want to collect crazy levels of detail history! Look for "68" or "78" prefixes on hubs to sort the 2 Ford types. Note that Lincoln Zephyr ones are not yet sorted out here (look for numbers like 7H, probably) and that wide fives were used on 3/4-1 ton trucks until after WWII...

 

dude thanks for all the imput. BTW, what are "MT" lincoln breaks? shoot maybe i should convert to 40 lincolns too. but i guess 1st things 1st, find some 37-39 drums...

 

'36 drums are two piece. OP's look like single - making them more likely than not '37-'39.
They will fit on posted spindle.
'37-'48 Backing plates will work on that spindle.
Posted backing plates unknown.

(Insert random model picture here)

 

MT: http://www.mtcarproducts.com/

 

mt products are not self adjusting but you can get all the brake parts from Advance Auto for 71-76 Chevy BIG wagons (only) that are self adjusting
and
Advance Auto is one helluva lot less expensive than MT products

 

Hey, I've done those on my '73 Buick Wagon!

How exactly does this pile of parts fit with the early Ford stuff?

 

Feel like I should have added a model, or something... How about a classy chick with the AutoUnion type D, to at least keep this going in the right direction...

...weird thread

 

Honest question, are these brakes I have really any good or worth keeping?

 

Yes, your current brakes are good. But the Lincoln style are better. And F-1's are like the Lincolns, just one inch smaller.