So I have been helping my buddy with his 49 desoto cant get it started put on new spark plug wires its turning over but i dont think it s getting gas we are stumped any ideas thanks
was it running before the new wires were installed ? have you tried priming the carb ? are you sure that you have spark?
it hasnt ran for a about a year but was running last summer before he changed spark plugs then he could never get it started i put gas down carb and nothing just cranks over very slow has a new battery in it too its 6 volt new plug wires
Sounds like the starter is dragging -The starter is a major draw and if it's dragging, it will a) turn over slowly b) hog all the available energy leaving little for the ignition. .... If it aint getting gas, fuel filter could be clogged and/or fuel pump needs rebuild. If trickling gas in the carb doesnt get it fired, then you are short on spark. Have you tried boosting it? Using another good battery to boost the available cranking and ignition amperage that is available for starting? Check spark plug gap, should be around 028 ish (check your manual) If the gap is too wide, you will have a weak spark (if any). Did you try pulling a plug out of the hole and checking for spark? It wouldn't hurt to pull all plugs and roll the engine over a couple dozen times in order to help get the oil pump/system primed as well as to help lube the bottom end/cylinders. A squirt of oil in each plug hole would also do wonders. .
So it ran before he fixed it. If it ran immediately before the plugs were changed and didn't immediately after, something happened when the plugs were replaced. The reasons I can think of why it wouldn't have started after the plugs were changed would be plug wires installed in the wrong order. [yes I have found people who were not aware that a certain wire goes on a certain plug] The wrong plugs may have been installed so the pistons hit and closed the gap. The gap may be too wide and the coil doesn't put out enough voltage to jump the wider gap. Did he only change the plugs or was it part of a tune-up where the points and condenser were changed? If so, was the point gap set with the rubbing block on the top of a distributor cam lobe? [yes I've seen people who didn't know that] Were the wires to the points connected correctly? Was the rotor installed? Start with the basics. Does it have spark? It's easily checked with a spark plug on a plug wire and grounded to the motor. If there is no spark at the plug wires, check at the coil wire.
Must often the wires are all taken off at once ,and get put back wrong. Is this a 6 or 8 cylinder.If 8 does it have dual points, clean and adj and new condenser. And a fully charged battery.
if it is cranking slow and it is a 6v system . try jumping it off of a 12v battery . it works but should not be done all the time . i used to do this on cold days with my 55 ford . i have since converted it to 12v but kept the 6v starter . the fater it spins the easier it starts
bigshawn Man , Thats really a great way to show the love to everyone thats trying to help you out with some info... If the truth hurts maybe you need to work a little on some thicker skin.. Or do we need to dumb it down some more so no one gets their feelings hurt?
Is the battery install as pos or neg ground? Confirm that the battery is fully charged & all of the cable connections are clean and tight. If so can you check the voltage drop and the amperage draw when cranking.
no not sensitive at all just trying to help my buddy learn a little I dont know everything and can admit that everyone had to start somewhere not tying to start a argument here just trying to get my buddy to see that its not that hard to find out some info from a great bunch of guys on this site and he can do the job himself but thanks for your input and good luck with your own projects
Someone should do a video on how to quickly run through this stuff. Like finding TDC with #1 plug out, and then aligning timing marks to see if the points are just about to open, etc. How to rock the points open/closed with the rotor to see if the coil wire is sparking. Then how to get the firing order correct and in the correct rotation. Cleaning points, or replacing them on the old distributors with the fiber washers that must be installed so the points are not grounded out, etc
WETATT4U WHO THE HELL ARE YOU ,,sorry if i missed something, but didn't see anywhere that Shawn said that was a smart *** comment anywhere , i didn't see anything you said that helping his problem out looks like you just float around looking to make smart *** comments and starting **** . now the rest of the people that commented had some helpful tips , i also know this guy and spent a day over there trying to get his ride going he does need to rewire everything in that car the wiring is a mess when i left we had spark also could not get it started with gas down the carb know i know the firing order is correct it's a flat six i set it at high cam found for sure that the number one cylinder was correct according to the book . now not sure if his spark is strong does not look strong but my chrylser is a 6 volt system also the spark does not look strong either so it's kinda hard to go by that. now f&j said about the leather washer for the points i didn't know about and don't know if they are in there . that is something we will look at next time we are over but would ***ume if there is any kind of spark that the points most likely not grounded out but the washer thing is a good thing to know thanks. the plugs are fine they are the same length as the ones that came out when he changed them i also doubled checked the gap there and the points gab also. now my chrysler has a neutral safety switch and had shawn check to see when he went over there yesterday if his car had the switch also i showed where it would be on my spare trans to make sure the wire is alright there shawn said that the car didn't seem to have that switch. here's another thing i was drinking one night at a bar ran into a chrysler guy that said something about a ****on on the carb that i told shawn to check to see if that car has that and it does but can't remember what that chrysler guy said to try with that if anybody knows anything about the old desoto carbs with the ****on on there that could be some kind of problem there that he can check. figuring the fuel pump should be ok becuse if we cant get the car to start with gas down the carb that kinda eliminates the fuel pump. thinking it has something to do with that ****on. or the weak spark the starter is another good thing to check like moefuzz said . and for TIG shawns a good guy trying to help out a brother i can tell your a T.G.C.S.U.F.A that would be a TYPICAL GOLD CHAINER STUCK UP F$%#@K'N *** WHOLE as you would say up there EH.
Well thanks Dale but I deleted my comment saying his comment was smart *** because I didnt want this to turn into a argument because this is about getting a buddys car going but thanks for backing me up bro and thanks for all the helpful comments on here from some great guys hopefully we can get this thing running
WINDSORSPITFIRE **** you Man ! You need to read before you type. Oh by the way , 1) Learn how to write/spell before you start typing a sentence... 2) Use a period every once in a while it will help break up a sentence and helps us read your post and helps make your point.... bigshawn<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_6738684", true); </SCRIPT> Hey Man good way to stand up and set things right.. I didn't mean to step on anyones toes sorry if it came across that way... As I look back on it maybe I could have worded it better. But again , Way to be a stand up guy, I like that. If we every cross paths I own you cold one.. Good luck with your Buds car....
Thanks wetatt4u but this is why i dont like to post on the main board to often I have aked plenty of questions on the 52 -56 ford group and have never and I mean never had this problem so i think i will just stick to that group for asking my questions those group of guys seem to get it
wetatt4u That's twice you posted with no help to the problem what so ever. I am starting to think we need to dumb it down for you. By the way do you own Shawn a cold one or owe him a cold one. Just saying. Look I made a paragraph and going to add a period now. I can tell you know nothing about the cars you own you just throw money at them . that's cool and all but don't try to make an *** out of somebody just because you don't know anything. I tried my best to make this reply with no run on sentences and all my T's are crossed just for you. " If the truth hurts maybe you need to work a little on some thicker skin". Once again just saying. That's a quote of yours . That's why i put the quotation marks. I hope you approve this reply I will be looking forward to my grade.
Back on topic I have a 50 S14 that ****ped on me once and it was the condenser had fried. Also give the gas that is old a good sniff - I re inherited this car and the old gas was pretty flat - I used starter fluid to fire it (after resetting the timing) and she lit. I added new gas and she runs okay perhaps this will help.
thanks skeezix we will give it a try by the way does your carb have a ****on on it . And if so do you know it's purpose. I am ***uming it might be to help prime the carb but not sure. That's a cool looking 50 you have love the grill looks a lot like the grill on the guy that owns the 49,
Can't help but note some of this stuff is pretty basic car stuff that most any generic car manual will tell you to check, the front section of a Motors or Chiltons for instance. I had copies of those before I had cars to mess with....
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