you did'nt here this from me..............OCC fun fact

now,let me start by saying,the stuff i'm about to post came from a freind of mine who i feel has no reason to lie,so here goes....this freind i met through my motor cycle club painted the wheels on mikey's blues bike,and in the coarse of dealing with the teutls,became freindly with them.in one of there conversations,my freind{who is a very well known artist/painter]came up with a design idea for a bike.now let me say,this person is payed to do just this for a living.aparrently,he told paul he had this idea ,whereopon paul said he'd be interested in seeing it.so my freind went back to his studio,and drew up a scetch of a bike with his stuff,plus three or five scetches of other ideas,which in turn ended up being a complete theme bikethey e-mailed back and forth to each other on this subject ,where finally my freind sent pictures per pauls request.now like most painters,all his artwork is trademarked with his signature,which is regestered as such.the next thing he heres is the teutles have built a pow bike thats gonna be on the show,that is his drawing!no return call nothing!just took his TRADEMARKED art work,handed it right to that justin dude,and took credit for it!my freind has the dated e-mails as proof they discussed it.so let me tellya,i gotta be honest with you,when i heard this,i wanted to see my freind boot dudes ass with HIS size 12.....unreal what some people will do to stay on top.......quickrod

 

yea,there stuff is very cookie cutterish in my opinion..

 

Never give away your ideas...unless you are willing to see them completed....by someone else.

 

sounds like it should be a slam dunk , if everything is saved and TM & stuff .

 

hatch,thats the point he was under the asumption paul wanted them and would obviously pay like everyone else does.

 

they used it but did they ever claim it was theres?

it showed him take the print off and give it to the painter -- but yeah we all know tv is all smoke and mirrors no matter what your watching--

im sure the POW pix and everything is tradmarked but its on theres stuff and a bunch of others as well

dunno, everybody screws every body thats just how it is i guess

 

goes back to the word "Assume"...we know what that means.

 

I thought that bike looked way cooler than their normal "theme" bikes!!

About twenty years ago, I thought it'd be cool to do a chopper with a strong Vietnam Vets 'theme' someday. This was and is not an entirely new concept. My first motorcycle was a chopper that was built by a kid who went off to 'Nam and never came home. I bought it from his mother at a garage sale ten years after her son was officially declared as M.I.A. Everytime I rode the bike, which was vastly out of style for the early 80s...I kind of had a spooky feeling that the kid who built it was watching over us (me and the bike!). I taught myself how to ride on that contraption, and never laid it down, despite my awkward clumsiness aboard a bike that was a "less than ideal" learning machine. Weird as it sounds, I always felt totally safe on it...like the kid wouldn't LET it hurt me!

Okay...ghost stories aside, I was hooked on choppers and sought out magazines and talked to the few folks (at the time!) who were building and riding them locally. It was soon obvious that many guys who owned or rode chops in the early-mid 80s had some sort of direct connection to the Vietnam War. Most were Vets who came to view their bikes as a means of therapy...and a way to roll along the open roads in solitude.

I can't begin to pretend to understand what it was like to actually be there, being too young myself...but over the past 20 years, I've collected many autobiographical books which give the reader a stark, first-person look at what it was like, and after reading stacks of them, you notice lots of similarities and common emotions and thoughts.

I'm no Teutul, Lane or Indian Larry, but I would STILL like to build a chop with a tip o'the hat to Vietnam Vets someday. My ideas differ a great deal from what the Teutuls do (I'm more of a Pat Kennedy advocate!), but I did think that their POW-MIA bike was a cool project, and their best one yet.

Sorry to hear that they may have blatantly ripped off your friend's artwork...but the idea of dedicating a bike to a specific Vietnam Vet, or just Vets in general isn't an entirely new concept...it's been around since the late 60s.

(Just that now all of a sudden EVERYBODY is a chopper fan and bike builder...since it's become the trendy thing to do among the masses!)

For the most part, I think the idea of "theme" bikes is pretty silly, and the Teutuls have built a slew of goofy examples to further this belief within me...but I do feel that there is something just sort of NATURAL that links choppers to the folks who served during the Vietnam Era...and we're likely to see more such 'theme' bikes before this craze is over.

Right, wrong or indifferent to it all, I think it's good...if only because it reminds older Americans, and enlightens young ones to the fact that so many good boys and young men served through that difficult point in History, and far too many never made it home. The masses may see just another goofy chopper built for a TV audience, but I think the message is more important than the machine here.

I dunno how sincere Paul really was about this latest bike, but it's my favorite by far, and I salute him for doing it. If he really DID steal your friend's artwork or ideas...there may be some legal recourse your buddy can take, but it's just POSSIBLE that Paul Sr really DID have his heart into this one...he's old enough and has been into bikes long enough to surely be aware of the natural connection between many Vets and custom bikes...it may just be that their latest creation illustrates that???

(After all, choppers were big in the late 60s and early 70s, a time when many young men were going off to or coming home from their tours of Duty...and choppers were a part of that time, and their lives. The connection isn't that hard to fathom!)

 

A old timer told me something very important years ago,talk is cheap.

 

Well nobody's gonna believe this but it's true so here it is....In 1968(while a high school student) I attended an Automotive design workshop sponsored by University of Illinois (Ford & GM had reps there doing some of the teaching). They showed us how to do renderings and make half of a clay model using a mirror to reflect the other half. I designed the boattail Riv. Of course in my mind it was a Ford cause I liked Fords(had a '62 T-Bird Sport Roadster clone then) In my model of the boattail I used hidden A-pillars, hidden pillars are very common now. I actually intended the top to be cantilevered with no A-pillars, a GM guy who was critiquing my model explained that it couldn't be done that way so it would have to have hidden pillars(we used some black film stuff for window glass. Well, when was it, '72 when the pointy tail Riv came out? Hmmmm. No proof of course, the model was already history by then along with the drawings-I had gone in a different direction; booze & girls. All true.

 

Yep... this "flathead" that everybody keeps talkin about... I designed it. Got ripped off big time. They screwed me even worse when they stole my design fo the small block chevy!

Of course, I turned 27 yesterday, but still, I designed 'em!!!

 

I don't know if this is along the same vein since I signed the waiver but here goes...

Remember the Hot Rod/Boyd contest in '97? I entered a '40 Ford retractable hardtop called RetractaBOYD. I was stoked. In preperation, I even got the balls to call up Thom Taylor, one of my creative heroes. After the contest was over, I called Boyds up to see what the deal was. Foose told me I placed in the top 6 and was to be on display at the SEMA show. The reason I didn't win was that they had just completed a '40 Ford for Michael Anthony of Van Halen. The irony was killing me because for the previous 20 years, I WORSHIPED Van Halen. (AND when I saw their finished product, it was no big deal. ) Ok, great, I didn't win, but I'm going to be published in Hot Rod. I wait. I wait... and wait..... Then I found out that Boyd was under investigation, no contest would be fulfilled and all of us from the contest (among others with alot more invested) were out of luck.



Then I'm watching RIDES a couple weeks ago on Trepanier and what is he building... a retractable '40 hardtop. I nearly fell off the couch. It's got some minor difference, but it's pretty damn close in concept. I'm thinking I should call him up just to tell him my story and see if he saw it once upon a time or its just a coicidence.

 

HotRod to Hell, Was your birthday on the 26th or 27th? My B-day was on the 26th. Happy birthday! -J.

 

I did a series of Thumbnails for a fictional WD-40 Ad in college. Instructor thought they sucked. Six months later, it was a 30 second spot on TV. I wasnt ripped off..........or was I??????????

 

26th... Happy Bday to you... must be when all the COOL people are born!

 

this reminds me of my buddy Charlies story he designed and built a bike that won best of paint at the grand national roadster show and got alot of magazine coverage a few yrs back he has all the drawings and design lay out to prove it but only got credit for the paint this all resulted in some disgruntle freindships between a few talented builders it really sucks everyone lost as i see it

 

Hey Quickrod, like the old saying goes, "what goes around comes around", if the bickersons are thieves, someone is gonna f--- them sooner or later, sorry to here your friend got screwed or at least feels that he did, if Paul Sr. was half the man he thinks he is he would of at a bare minimum called and talked to your painter bud, stay warm, I'm here with you waiting for spring

 

good one Ryan.. lol

Tell your friend to send them an invoice with a fair price and 'due 15 days from receipt of invoice' on it. Send it certified mail or FedEx so he can prove that they got it. If they don't pay, THEN start legal action with a letter from his lawyer.

art thieves suck.

 

This stuff has been going on ever since the pencil was invented.

Most thought by showing their work and it being in produiction, would get compensztion.

It is best to get work copyrighted or patented(which ever is appropiate).

I agree with going with the certified, receipt requested route.
Then, if that doesn't get desired results, the attorney letter.

I would send copies to the producers of the Discovery Channel, as well.
After all, it is the Discovery Channel who funds the American Chopper series.

Jim

 

If you value your art...copyright it.

There is a covered bridge near here. It's copyrighted. You cannot reproduce it in art (of any form) for profit.

If you don't want to be "ripped off", don't show your ideas to ANYONE.

I think it's interesting the people with so-called "original ideas" in hot rod (or bike)building....it's ALL been done before.....just in a different mixture.

 

"Cleaning with citrus was my little secret...but I never patented it..."

 

I remember when I invented the wheel. I thought it was my ticket out of this 9to5 ratrace. And then to hear some caveman that couldn't even read or write gets all the credit..well that just burns me up

 

Damn Ryan, that's the funniest thing you've ever said. I'm cracking up here mate.

 

I can't say I like the bike that much but I can say that I think its fucked-up how they put the POW-MIA logo on the seat! Thats just plain rude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ QUOTE ]
If you value your art...copyright it.

There is a covered bridge near here. It's copyrighted. You cannot reproduce it in art (of any form) for profit.

If you don't want to be "ripped off", don't show your ideas to ANYONE.

I think it's interesting the people with so-called "original ideas" in hot rod (or bike)building....it's ALL been done before.....just in a different mixture.

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I wonder if there's a copyright on flames.........? Man the money people would owe me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL......

 

So your friend helped design and draw it at their request without ever discussing a price for his services? Sounds like he got exactly what he asked for it. If it's business, set up the business up front. The rich don't stay rich by spreading the wealth around when they make it big. If you don't set a price in advance they'll take the freebie every time.

 

It's like a bass player I used to play with once said.
"Everytime I get a great idea for a song, I hear it on the radio the next day."
George

 

I watched the show....like a bad accident, through the corners of my eyes. eee-yuck.

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