Art & Inspiration Zeltango

I am going to list a few names here with out any links to them, because if anyone is interested, they will have the option to simply punch in these names on their smartphone and see some of the works for themselves.

1. Georges Seurat, known for his incredible pointillism painting "La Grande Jatte", painted in 1886.

2. Chesley Bonestell, known for his futuristic paintings of outer space and space exploration, famous work "Conquest of Space" time period, 1949.

3. Maxfield Parrish, known for some of the most incredible lithography prints and various magazine cover art. "Daybreak", painted in 1922.

4. Norman Rockwell, one of the greatest "illustrators" of everyday life and Americana. Famous painting "Freedom from want" painted in 1943.

5. Johannes Vermeer, sometimes known as the "Master of light" time period 1656.

6. Albert Whitlock, known as one of the greatest matte painters of his time period.
Star Trek painting "Delta Vega" painted in 1966.

7. Georgia O'Keeffe, one of her famous works, "Cows Skull, Red, White, and Blue"
painted in 1931.

None of these artists have anything to do with our love of hot rods and cool Kustom car's such as what the H.A.M.B. deals with and focuses on.

But to be on topic with this incredible thread that @Ryan has allowed us all to contribute to, let me bring a few points of historical interests to the forefront.

Referring to this modern day birthing of the infant "AI" , its learning and its learning fast.

But if it wasn't for the various works of others from the past, and not necessarily these artist's that are named above, but also including the works of various authors as far as any newly "AI" created written works, then "AI" would not have anything to delve into from a so called "collected data base", to try to imitate, or replicate as a new piece of art, etc !

Case in point, take artist #1 on the list and the referred to work of art "La Grande Jatte " which currently hangs in the Chicago Art Institute.
I have been to the Chicago Art Institute years ago to actually go see this amazing piece of art.

It's literally millions of tiny little dots of paint & color, that make up the composition, step back 20 feet, and it comes into focus, get up close to it, and you see an incredible mosaic of little dots, that make up this great piece of art.

That's a slick trick for the time period 1886, it must have driven Georges Seurat crazy to ever get it finished, and he didn't have any high tech tools to help him "to see" what he was actually creating!

I see and totally agree with what @Stogy was referring to about how some artist's are going to have to rethink, about what it takes to be a commercial artist, or at least try to make a living from doing original or commissioned art, for a private or industrial client.

In the old days of "Don Draper" a commercial artist, had to present their "book" or portfolio to the art director / head of creative, to see if the artist was any good or was worthy of being hired.

Going forward, that can be done remotely by computer, or if need be, the new style of the "elevator" pitch, by giving a thumb drive of the artists work, to the ambushed Art Director, in hope's of the work being accepted, and potentially getting hired !

"AI" is here, in the present, and it has a huge data base of collected information, about and on everything that an individual can possibly think of !

Is that good or bad ?
Time will tell, and its not for me to even speculate on, for to do so, would be futile and would only invite controversy !

But consider this.
All of us artists, we still have the ability to use a pencil and a paint brush to render something in a 2 dimensional format such as on paper or canvas, with out the help or influence of "AI"

We still have the ability to use a welder, to put pieces of metal together, whether for automotive related items, or purely for abstract sculpture, with out the help or influence of "AI"

We still have the ability to sit at our keyboards to write poetry, or fiction, or report on current events such as commentary, in the form of essays, as seen on the H.A.M.B. about car events, car shows, car designs, car build threads, with out the help, or influence of "AI"

Great glass blowers, still have the ability to create totally new and exciting pieces of blown glass, with out the help or influence of "AI" etc, etc, etc.

I can remember years ago when ATM machines came on the scene, and the ubiquitous
"magnetic stripe backed debit card" was first introduced.

I just would not trust that such an item, could be trusted to get the information correct, on the grocery receipt.

I always insisted on being the slow person at the check out counter that was writing a check!
Those days are long in the past, I am happy to say.

But I still send a check in the mail, to fellow HAMBERS, I have bought items from, it makes it easier for them to deposit it into their bank account, via their cell phone, via the camera built into the phone!

I will end this alleged essay / rant with one of my favorite automotive, related pieces of vintage artwork by the famous Mexican artist, "Diego Rivera"

He was once asked, " Where do you get your idea's from, to create your art? "

He simply answered, "I just paint, what I see in front of me"



I like the fact that we all can have these avenues of opportunity, to converse with one another about interesting topics, that concern and fascinate us !

 

I'm with @Stogy and @trevorsworth. Things are going to get messy.
Right now, AI tools are a fabulous novelty. They will become much more powerful in rapid order. When corporations start using privately-cooked AI tools to automate huge parts of creative pipelines that used to require trained and talented humans, we might not even feel the difference as consumers.
In the workplace it will become apparent earlier. Airbrush artists who didn't learn Photoshop probably noticed their jobs just...drying up.
These days, concept artists, illustrators, storyboard artists, writers, compositors, graphic designers, 3D modelers, etc are going to find themselves either left behind, or using new AI tools, briefly, until those higher up the chain can eventually simply set the machine in motion without including human "creatives" anywhere in the pipeline.

AI will absolutely f*ck with livelihoods, but it can't touch the unique relationship that every human being has with their own individual reality, a relationship whose dimensions they might express through the creation of hand-made works of art. If you drag a rusty wreck out of the woods and nurse it back into car shape, and feel the metal under your fingertips, that's something AI knows nothing about.
I feel like the HAMB is a bastion of authenticity in this regard, and it's a valuable thing in this new world of AI-generated chaff.

To me, AI can be a problem in several ways:
1. Personal: if I spend 30 hours hitting the "make cool shit" button instead of living my own authentic life, am I just gambling my life away?
2. Societal: whether or not AI is hype or functional, industries are going to be warped into new shapes, with ensuing societal and economic effects.
3. Environmental: running the infrastructure for AI is massively consumptive of power and especially, water. If this is going to be our new drug of choice, is it really worth it???

 

To Graphic Art Firms and Poster/Print Shops I say its more than a novelty...it's ready to fly...If there's touchups a lucky graphic Artist can patch it up in Photoshop...

I honestly don't know if soul was lacking in many of the images I saw created here...

You touched on things beyond my comprehension but the Visual Art seems very credible...

I can see some 3D model looks to some of it but others look pretty passable to my eye...

Some looked like a marvel comic book storyboard...

 

I mentioned this yesterday Prompt...picture at break neck speed Tommy Lee's, Kurtis modified Cord in it's Dry Lakes Fenders off livery racing and in the lead of a group of 1939 Indy Racers on a picturesque winding ocean side road in California with Vic Morrow sitting in wait in his 58 Plymouth pushbar killer behind a billboard or chasing them as they fly by...periods clash in a virtual world as there are no walls where there is no time...

...On topic you betcha!! If that pile of chips knew that, I would be astonished but heck I ain't betting on it that's for sure...

 

There is a difference. Horse and buggy industry was replaced by the automobile industry. But the automobile quickly created more jobs than it had replaced. And people still bred horses for other things and many coach builders could easily tranistion into automotive coach-building. The only people who really lost out were the makers of buggy whips.

AI is not the same thing. Yes AI, will create some jobs but it is not likely to create more jobs than it will displace. It is putting the ability to "create" art and to write computer code (and other things) into the hands of everyone with a computer and an imagination. Which is most people.

 

...Not my generation just a pic that meets my standard and the Hambs...seems to lack a driver but pretty cool none the less...




...Another...free download as is the other 7MB file, I made it smaller though...

Credit to the Prompters, and Artists

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That pretty interesting @Stogy , when I zoomed in on the car with the license plate "6TE" it appears that the steering wheel on the left side of the car, is through the windshield and encompassing the windshield frame.
Plus there appears to be a human about to be run over, behind the second car on the right side of the picture!
As stated, all very interesting!

 

Not to stir the shitpot, but doesn't every writer draw inspiration and style from other things they've read, things other people wrote? Doesn't every artist draw inspiration or get ideas from seeing previous artworks or pictures?

 

Using Microsoft/Bing Image Generator. It is interesting to see what it will produce. No talent involved on my part though. Just typing in words
Prompt: 1950s custom car. I kind of dig the paint job.


Prompt: 1940s cars racing on a dry lake.



I can't remember the prompt. 2 cars drag racing 1950s I think:
Kind of cool, but the headlight is shining through the guy's rump. Or he's a ghost.


The faces in these images are a bit terrifying. Probably what we'll all look like after AI takes over..

 

I think you can imagine what would happen if you told your teacher you merely drew inspiration from your buddy's answers on the big test.

 

@Ryan it's called a spliff, not a spiff

 

Love it or hate it, "Art is Art".

 

I would say yes to both, however when I create my Inspirations for the Hamb I do them in a photo manipulative manner generally using the image the Member shared or a Pic I've taken...the styling is based on the Members inspiration of what the are doing to the vehicle...

I also work from my drawings which for the most part are derived from randomness of my mind and fingers...

I do however through historically looking at all genres and Art which is everywhere we look and hanging on walls over tthe years my style is comparable to some Artists such as Nikola Tesla. I only discovered this seeing his Art several years ago searching for content for the Hamb...I didn't even know he sketched in pencil...

Another curiosity about Tesla is my Father did have what I would say a very Artistic handwriting and Signature but never sketched or did Art per se was born were Tesla was and of course of similar descent...

I have sketch since an early age in a style really self taught and nurtured along through School and Post Secondary schooling...never really focusing on anyone's style as I felt that's not very original and was taught NOT to copy others...for several reasons...

I have a pride as well in my originality...

I can't necessarily speak for others but I suspect in the way of Art training originality is emphasized as gospel...meaning do not copy another's hand...

But just like music and even DNA there is without a doubt, chance of duplication...Forgery is real...its also as I've said entirely possible to near clone a style of Art unknowingly or at complete randomness...therefore not forgery really...

Sorry long drawn out but this is a short response to your thoughts or understanding...

 

Yeah... those cartoons are so fake!

 

Thanks Dennis, I see what you're honing in on...that may be a steering wheel digital drawing glitch or not...

The person seemingly standing there I believe may have be digitally assumed by the diodes to be on a motorcycle or bicycle...

This scene in this virtual image seems European, Australian or perhaps New Zealand...assumption of course...they drive this way at Pendine...maybe Romo and they may well do in AUS and NZ too...

The other thing is as you mentioned before is Art is generally not perfect...I have edited Stanlow's Memorial Inspiration I did 5 or more times since I did the first final submission online and changed them out...I'm like my own Art director...

So what I mean by that is if this was to be published one would sit down as you have and as an Art Director inspect snag and correct as needed basically or who knows tell Bot to do it again but I'd just Photoshop it out...

 

I think your funning right...but Ryan did do some that did look Marvel'ous and that may well be AI's interpretation to do it in that style by desriptors in his prompt...

 

Oh I hate typos but was it? Spiffy or Spliffy? One is cool, one is smokable...

 

Those are cool...from my education in art, what you've noticed with the faces is a detailing technique that true Artists do practise in the execution of imagery in all medium minus photography...detail lessens as things are further away...or it's deliberate as it's not the main focus...

OR...shortcomings in the processing of the image with the complexity of what it's doing...

Because it's gathering so many types of artists techniques that may play into it as well as some Artists don't detail faces ever...

 

This is a facinating, inciteful, terrifying, sad & thought provoking thread, Thanks @Ryan for inadvertently kicking this off & maintaining the On-Topic nature while allowing the chatter around it.
Prior to this thread I had ignored AI discussion as I am not interested in it & wasn't interested in the hype & I tend to mistrust the main stream, again thanks Ryan

Just a thought, by accepting what is ok by the narrator, "AI" learns what it is to be correct? So if AI was told the wrong thing was right (enough) it would then head in that direction??

Also I imagine AI could also replicate your style by including your own art (for want of a better word) in each request, there-by self referencing a common theme/style & building in that??

I don't have anything further to add, except to quote a former boss "I'd rather give a man a job"

 

I will reconsider/recant my statement above regarding the possibility of a AI Art Thread or Threads...That is entirely up to Ryan.

After seeing the Imagery it can generate as long as it's Hamb friendly I don't see why not...If AI doesn't interest one they need not participate or visit...

 

@SDhotrod I used the Bing AI generator you did...did some experimental requests...

It is free with and email account...the results are mixed with varying passability...some downright laughable...

It doesn't do very well specifically but I can get Hamb Friendly...









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Not bad, @Stogy , you're learning something new .

Don't artists working in oils study brush stroke techniques in master painter's artworks to determine how a particular effect was obtained? Do they do this only to copy that painter's style or to include it with that of others and make it their own? Will AI be able to come up with original ideas or will it simply use a combination of styles and techniques to get the results asked of it?

 

Thanks Alan, yes techniques are part of Art education in all levels of Schooling including post Secondary and University...

In my education in learning any techniques taught have always been directed to apply it to what one wants to paint not to copy the masters...

I am not University Art trained so how they are guided regarding using techniques of Painting I'm not sure but I would believe Teachers always involve respect to Copyright in their training...more so to teach to harness your originality using tried, tested and even find new methods if thats possible...

 

...these were created in less than minute after I entered text at top...

Note none are 1950 Mercury's but all are unique in their own way...

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There is a lot of work to be done if AI is ever going to know the difference between a Mercury and a GM product.

 

...Can't recall what I entered here...34 Ford Coupe and 1929 Ford Sport Coupe at Halloween...

Results...I could edit out the 2nd car as it doesn't look like one...and a couple more edits and it would pass as an image...34 Ford no...similar yes...


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You are right Alan...it doesn't know cars like we do does it...

This AI generator is free...I suspect the one Ryan in using is Far superior...it has a subscription...even if it can't get things spot on it can generate interesting subject matter that one can further edit...



...less than a minute with text above...

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I've read all of this interesting topic. AI is not a good thing for workers, it may be fun to play with and see what it does with images. The bigger picture is replacing those pesky workers, corporations only see the bottom line, follow the money here. This will effect every human job and it won't be pretty. It has historical precedent:

You haven't any right to takeover my tools and skills and build them into a machine that you, alone own and whose products you alone, sell in the marketplace. This is being resurrected again as owners of technology and capital build the skills, experience, and knowledge of millions of office & factory workers & artists into micro - machine processes that make them unemployed.
Paraphrased from "Blood on the Machine" by Brian Merchant

 

No second car, pumpkins along the road or on top of the fence posts. It's your fantasy, I'm just pitching ideas. Here's another idea, a thread called "From the Mind of.....". See how the Mods handle that ?

 

From the mind of...the BOT...hyperspinning Everyone on the nets shared stories, history, and images...